[completed] Messerschmitt Bf 109E-4 and Bf 109 T-1

....checking the fit of wing frames and fuselages....

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The wheel compartments for the E-4 seen from both sides and safely resting inside the wing frame. The corresponding parts for the T-1 will be attached in a different way: they must be glued to the inside of the wing clothing as I will soon be able to show you.

Thanks Leif!
Now see how much different the concept of the T-1 is: the landing gear/ wheel compartments are glued to the insides of the wing coverings; the result may seem somewhat less solid but the enormous advantage is that the wing clothing and the edges of the compartments are perfectly in line independently of how well both sides of the wing clothing will fit together.

Yes, I was surprised too. The Halinski Morane Saulnier's gear compartments were done exactly like the T-1.

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Building the inner sections of the T-1's oil coolers inside the wings:

Construction of the E-4 wing section is going fine; it all fits well, even the wheel compartments -although the joints are less perfect then with "the T-1 method". Still missing: right wing tip, oil coolers, flaps and ailerons:

Ready oil coolers of the E-4. As I discussed with Andreask, parts 54 a+ and 54 b+ (see a) are a bit of a mystery. The instruction diagrams suggest that they are meant to fill up a gap in the inner part of the coolers, but their design is wrong and in my case they would only have made things more complicated: my coolers fitted perfectly inside the wing frame without them...
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Correction for instructions for T-1: inner parts for oil coolers consist of A6, A7aP/L and A7bP/L.

Since this is a thread where my aim is to compare two models in a fair way it now is the turn to the T-1 again... :] with a beautiful option that you will look for in vain in the E-4: on this picture I show you the right wing machine gun (see a), built together from more then 20 parts. Once installed inside the wing it will not disappear forever: it will remain visible through the panel and the wing cover in the machine gun compartment (b) that I have mentioned earlier, a compartment that will now as a next step be built inside the wing using the reinforcements (see c).
To realize this option, the frame section marked as "d" must entirely be removed and substituted by the wing gun compartment... things are now getting exciting =)

Thank you guys, your comments make me go on!
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Pictures showing the patient, from top and bottom :D, immediately after the operation...

I have been looking forward :]to show you these pictures of the complete wing sections of both models.....( some parts at the underside of the wings -white areas for the E-4 and 'preprinted' areas for the T-1 are still to be added).

-ailerons and flaps are still to be added as the right step.

-please note the different wingspan of the two versions, clearly visible now.

-both machine guns have been built inside the wings... that's where the 'bubbles' under the wings are for! For these pictures I placed one of the panels in place; the other one was removed and placed beneath the wing to show the machine gun. By the way; were these just removable panels, or were they hinged -and if so, towards what side?

-most important of all: at the start of this thread I told you about the level of detail of the T-1 compared to the Halinski E-4; now that I can show you the 'light', or 'bright' side of the T-1 a fair comparison is possible. I think that the surface details and weathering of the T-1 can easily compete with the E-4

The T-1 and E-4, with their fuselages and wings assembled, side by side and resting on still very embryonic :)landing struts:

The T-1 complete with ailerons and flaps and the wings now fixed to the body and the landing gear waiting to be continued.
Although the T-1 is great fun and a pleasure to build, the box-like construction of the center wing section plus both wings to be slipped on the wires until they touch the fuselage has proven to be less satisfying then I had thought: Small gaps were inevitable ans some minor adjustments were necessary to hide them. The instructions tell you to add the left and right wing at the end, but I would strongly advise to unite the frames of the middle section and the left and right wing (with the landing gear struts trapped in between!) before covering them; this will certainly help to avoid any problems.
Next step: ailerons and flaps for the E-4 and landing gear for both models..

Yeeh, this multipurpose vice, we call it a "little third -helping- hand" in dutch; but what is holding the wing is a women's hair clamp -my wife is still looking for it..

Unfortunately the camouflage patterns on the Halinski E-4 flaps are wrong.. At the indicated spots the wing patterns must be continued on the flaps. Now you can see if your mixed colours really match....

Yes, I think the color corrections are very acceptable, although not perfect. Strangely enough, the ailerons have the correct patterns and need no retouching, as can be seen on this picture showing both models with finished ailerons and flaps:

Very interesting indeed! Yet it seems so logic to continue the patterns over the ailerons (as the Halinski model does) and the flaps (like my T-1, by the way). It is prabably as you say: only pictures of this E-4 version could answer the question.

Yes, it was Walter Oesau (see the picture taken from the E-4 instructions).
Thanks for following this thread and for your inquiries!

I don't know if both the E-4 and the T-1 had wheel brakes ( for the-imaginary- landings of the T-1 on the Graf Zeppelin they could have served a lot together with the arrrester hook), but the T-1 model does represent the air?/oil?-pressure ducts for it, thus adding a nice touch to the detailing of the landing gear:

Looks like you fly yourself, don't you? 8)
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Main gears ready to receive their respective wheels. I added a close-up of the T-1 gear to show the respect of detail: brake piping and hinges for gear doors:

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T-1: C4aP and C4aL were interchanged in the numbering of parts ; the same for C4cP and C4cL.

Both of my Messerschmitts finally resting on their own wheels...!
The wheels of the T-1, although built together from less pieces then the E-4, can easily compare to their Halinski counterparts.

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I think this is the right moment to explain to you all why you see two airplanes already on wheels but both missing a nose...
From the start I wanted this simultaneous build to be as parallel as possible. Now the T-1 instructions start with the nose section and then work towards the centre section. This T-1 nose section can be build in a simple version, but it is also possible to include the complete engine with machine guns, opening panels etc. Apart from the fact that the author warns you that this option is only for the very experienced modelers, the E-4 simply does not offer the possibility to add an engine.
Therefore I decided to follow for both models the working order of the E-4: first the centre sections and then, omitting the nose sections for the moment, continue with the tail sections, wings and landing gears. In that way, the simultaneous progress of both models could be followed step by step and I think you appreciate this dual story.
I still have to add some details to both models plus, of course, the E-4 cockpit, but then comes the moment to start the noses...
For a fair comparison I will try to show you the extras the T-1 has to offer; maybe I will even be showing both nose versions; the simple and the complex one.
Leif was wondering if adding the nose only at this stage would not cause any problems. Well, for the E-4 there is'nt any , the complete nose section can easily be fixed to the centre frame. For the T-1 things might be more complicated: when choosing the engine version parts of formers must be removed - we'll see about that.

...catapulting hooks and arrester hook for the carrier based T-1...

Of course...! Hopefully this looks better:

One more picture from another position:

As I explained earlier, the T-1 canopy had to be built in an early stage of the construction; now it was the turn to the E-4 canopy, much easier to build and much less of a challenge: the inside and outside colors are not contrasting and therefore so much easier to assemble... Plus the fact that this canopy is composed of three sections; the T-1 canopy is a one-piece construction and I would suggest this for the T-1 canopy too; no mayor changes are needed to work that way.
I tried to suggest the sliding side windows for both models.