Tatra 815-7eor 89

hodinach som si tak pokracoval v mojom doterajsom diele Tatra147 DC5 No pracoval robyl poriadky a nakoniec som to cele zavrel do skatule lebo som stale myslel na tu sedmickovu tatru, ktora vyzera asi takto

Let's start. At the beginning was the morning coffee and random surfing on the net looking for something about Dakar 2007, so I got on Loprais team's page and tatra.cz and found one interesting Tatra model I haven't seen or heard before. Two hours later I was working on my other model under construction, Tatra 147 DC5. Well... not really working, more like tidying up and finally I've closed it all in the box, because I couldn't stop thinking at that Tatra, which looks like this:

A tak zacalo zhananie podkladov; naslo sa nieco na oficialnej stranke tatry, ale bolo to velmi chabe a hlavne chybala sirka vozidla tak podla jednej fotky na tomto fore http://www.liaz.cz/forum/viewtopic.php?t=354&start=0
som si povodne myslel ze je siroka ako dana alebo zuzana (ako som sa velmi mylil) je siroka len 2550 cm (opravdu cm? Do prekladu pisu radsi mm) ale to som sa dozvedel az o dva tyzdne na to.

And so the search for some documentation began. Something was found on the official Tatra website, but it was very poor - no info about vehicle's width. According to the photograph on this forum http://www.liaz.cz/forum/viewtopic.php?t=354&start=0 I assumed that it is as wide as Dana or Zuzana (in that I was completely wrong). It's only 2550 mm wide, but I learned that two weeks later.

A tak som sa pustil do patlani ako vy tomu tu nadavate takze najprv prisli na rad kolesa ako vzdy

So I started construction. The first thing was the wheels, as usual
(nevim, jak se anglicky rekne "patlani" Smile )
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Ale toto fakt nebolo to prave orechove a tak sa zacali diat zmeny

But this really wasn't good, so changes were made

a dnes vypada asi co asi presne takto

and this is how it looks today
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Nasledoval ram a yo na tu skutocnost ze som netusil aku to ma sirku bolo vemi zaujmave zacalo zhananie podkladov na tatru znova spida vie ze som sa ho tu pytal ci nahodov nevie ale odpisal len "tebe tak budu radit ty..." to akurat zacala ta afera z warezom a tak som si musel dako poradit sam a natrafil sam na cloveka ktory tiez ako ja prepadol myslienke postavit tuto tatro stavia sice RC model 1:10 tatra 8x8 nosic kontajnetov ale zo sirkov vedel pomoct a tak vznikol ram podvozku
Next came the main frame. The work was quite interesting, because I had no idea about its width. Spida knows I tried to ask him, but he replied "advise you? No, you..." (I had some problems with warez), so I had to figure it out myself. Then I met a man who is building the same Tatra as me, although RC model, container carrier in 1:10, but he helped me with the width and the mainframe was been made.

Fotky su nic moc ale budu aj lepsie tieto som fotil v noci okolo 2.00 a zena spala tak len pri normalnom svetle
po uspesnom zkompletovani ramu ( na 3 pokus sa neskrutil az tak aby sa nedal pouzit) som zapocal napravy konkretne jednu a to tu prednu a takto sa mi darilo

Photos are poor, but there will be better ones. These were taken at night at about 2:00 and my wife was asleep, so I couldn't use the flash (pozn.: pochopil jsem dobre, ze jsi fotil normalne pod stolni lampou, protoze neslo blejskat? Nebo jsi tim normalnim svetlem myslel neco jineho?)

A vysledok sa vydaril takto

And the result:
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A potom ked som to chcel tam uz pripasovat som zistil ze som o 2 cm sirsi ako mam byt takze upravil som disk kolesa o 3mm bubon brzd o dalsie 3 mm a brzdovy kotuc o dalsie 3mm a som tam kde som chcel byt a tak prisli na rad vzduhove vankuse no nieco uzasne preco prave toto auto musi mat pneumo aj na prednych napravach na starsich modeloch stacilo urobyt listovu pruzinu a bolo ale teraz ako to spravit aby to vyzeralo ako vankus a aby to aj funkcne bolo a bol zachovany vykyv naprav no tak najprv to bolo takto
And after all, when I wanted to fit it there I realized that it's 2 cm wider than it should be, so I trimmed wheel disk by 3 mm, brake drum by another 3 mm and here we go. Then the air cushions. Well, something awesome. Why this very car must have pneumo on front axle too... on older models there e just simple leaf springs, but now how to make it, if it must look like a cushion and really work, allowing the axles to tilt freely? At first it was like this:

Pre trochu oddychu a aj preto ze som si stym nevedel dat rady som sa pustil do ukoncenia ramu a pustil som sa do naraznika.

As a little relax and also because I didn't know how to proceed, I added the bumper to the frame.

ked som to takto zvladol tak so sa zase pustil do napravy zmenil som vankuse a vyrobyl uchyty tlmicov a takto to vyzeralo vcera o 00:45 rano lepsie povedane dnes.

When it was done, I returned to the axle. I've redesigned the cushions and created damper holds and this is the result from today 00:46 am:

To je vsetko co zatial mam a este neake fotky som poslal spidovi a ak bude chciet nech ich sem da lebo ja uz neviem co som mu poslal.
Dufam ze sa vam to zatial paci a ze pripojite daky komentar.

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Tak tuna mate dalsie foto ako som pokrocil ak mate dake napady na vzduchove vankuse alebo hocico ine sem snimi ak chcete. Nakolko ma nic nenapada .zatial som to vyriesil ako na tych fotkach je vydno nie moc dobre:
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Tak tuna mate dalsie foto ako som pokrocil ak mate dake napady na vzduchove vankuse alebo hocico ine sem snimi ak chcete. Nakolko ma nic nenapada .zatial som to vyriesil ako na tych fotkach je vydno nie moc dobre:
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jedna pikoska:
dozvedel som sa z nemenovanych zdrojov ze toto vozidlo sa nachadza v momentalnej dobe v usa vo firme ATC ktora pod tymto oznacenim predavala v minulosti tatry do Indie este stale v testovacich skuskach a existuje len jeden exemplar mozno dva a tatra stale caka na vratenie tychto vozidiel inak ponton je z neakeho americkeho vozidla aj z celym spustacim zariadenim
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Problem with moving rubber covers has been solved: they have been split to two parts that can slide on each other, so the movement is practically unlimited.

Translation of the above:

Tak tuna mate dalsie foto ako som pokrocil ak mate dake napady na vzduchove vankuse alebo hocico ine sem snimi ak chcete. Nakolko ma nic nenapada .zatial som to vyriesil ako na tych fotkach je vidno nie moc dobre:

Here you have some new photos of my progress. If you have any ideas on how to build air cushions or anything else, write them here, if you want. At this moment they don't look well, as you can see on the pics:

Tak som zase pokrocil kedze z nemenovanych zdrojov sa mi podarilo zohnat riadenie tak som ho hned aj spravil najhorsie bolo vyspekulovat ako sa bude otacat cely sistem tak ako na skutocnom vozidle a to tak ze ked sa vytocia predne kolesa aby sa druhe v poradi vytocily len mierne v pomere k prednym tak ako na skutocnom vozidle

Another progress. I've found the steering somewhere, so I built it immediately. The most difficult was to think up how to steer two axles simultaneously - the rear must steer less than the front one, like on the real vehicle.

jedna pikoska:
dozvedel som sa z nemenovanych zdrojov ze toto vozidlo sa nachadza v momentalnej dobe v usa vo firme ATC ktora pod tymto oznacenim predavala v minulosti tatry do Indie este stale v testovacich skuskach a existuje len jeden exemplar mozno dva a tatra stale caka na vratenie tychto vozidiel inak ponton je z neakeho americkeho vozidla aj z celym spustacim zariadenim

I've learned that this vehicle is located in the USA today, in the company ATC which used to sell Tatras to India under this label. It is still being tested and only one, maybe two specimens exist and Tatra is still waiting for their return. Pontoon was taken from some american vehicle together with all the lifting device.

Omlouvam se, ze jsem misto upraveni predchoziho prispevku zalozil novy. Nejak mi forum tu upravu nedovolilo, i kdyz jsem se normalne prihlasil.
Excuse my sending new reply instead of editing the previous one, but I wasn't able to do that, although I was normally logged in. Maybe some problems with my browser.

tak som dokoncil prevodovku a aj som ju natrel ale aj tak sa mi zda to neni ono
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tak po case som zase daco urobil a myslim ze sa to uz zacina aj celkom dobre podobat na podvozok Tatry uvidime az to zkompletujem z prednou dvojnapravou a podvozkom na tejto este chybaju brzdove valce a trubky a par omezovacov brzdneho tlaku a bude hotova
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Kym sme zabespecili beta testerov subormi na skusku ja som spravil zatial toto v tej skatulke je narezany dezen na 4 kolesa

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Tuto mate par obrazkov na inspiraciu dnes uz neurobim nic asi
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tak som dnes konecne nalepil tie matky a dokopal som sa cez splet hadiciek na vzduch k ukonceniu zadnej trojnapravy podarilo sa mi nastelovat sistem riadenia tak ako na skutocnom vozidle takze dnes uz nebudem robyt nic z vysledkom som spokojny este treba sice vytvorit zasobniky vzduchu na kazdu napravu jeden tri rozbocovace ale to az zajtra alebo neskor chcem najprv dorobit prednu napravu a skompletovat stredovu ruru aj z prevodovkov a ktomu mi este treba spravit 4 kolesa tak zase strasne vela matic
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Zase som trosku popri betateste pokrocil aj vo vyvoji kedze este stale so nezohnal riadne fotky motora tak som sa pustil do kabiny a takto to zatial vyzera
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No takto sa mi zatial podarila pristrojovka
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A tuto trosku o sedacke a spravil som ju posuvnu aby som zase dake detily
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A takt to vyzera zatial na complet ale este to nemam prilepene
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A este jeden detail
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Aqui tienes colecion de fotos i de 3D grafika para instruciones de model

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[Blocked Image: http://www.postimage.org/aVE0PEi.jpg]Fotos soy de betatest y puedes ver mes aqui

http://www.papierovemodelarstv…orum/viewtopic.php?t=1172

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aqui tienes mas foto
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es algo poco mas fotos
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Ya sigamos con modelo pero qiero poco descansar de motor entonce me voy hacer el ponon o como se dice de espanol . Por primero tiene 13 paginas pero descuento una menos
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Esta solo una pieza de 4
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Ydespues viene el postre de nervio
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cca 4,5 hora tengo respuesta que puede ser esta bueno
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casi dentro de 2 horas esta completado ,y una semana proximamente i el ponton se termino
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Hola a todos.

Continuamos tambien con diseno de Tatra

Ariba podrias ver algunas piezas de ponton para Tatra,pero por fin esto todo termina en basura,porque descubrio que tiene una mala medida.Entonce todos planos para ponton tenia que redibujar y empiesar de nuevo.

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Aqui podrias ver otra manera de aser abujeros,como se lija papel o hacen cortes de papel que tiene algo como casi dos milimetro de grosor
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Antes tengo mal suenos de triangulos en superficie.Ahora tengo que cortar de nuevo y para que no me parece que es un poco, tengo que cortar tambien superficie para otro lado de ponton. Bien aqui puedes ver como sea ya cortados estos abujeritos:[Blocked Image: http://www.postimage.org/aV2rvzOr.jpg][Blocked Image: http://www.postimage.org/aV2rvOMi.jpg][Blocked Image: http://www.postimage.org/gx2rl28r.jpg][Blocked Image: http://www.postimage.org/aV2rw5ei.jpg][Blocked Image: http://www.postimage.org/aV2rwfcS.jpg][Blocked Image: http://www.postimage.org/aV2rwrGA.jpg][Blocked Image: http://www.postimage.org/Pq2jEgwJ.jpg][Blocked Image: http://www.postimage.org/Pq2jSruS.jpg][Blocked Image: http://www.postimage.org/aV2rK1eA.jpg]Por fin tengo algo asi. Todavia falta otro lado,cortar superficie de carretera y mucho cosas mas,pero ya tiene bien medida y no es blando.....
Pues como siempre...continuamos algun otro dia

Pues trabajo suige con plano y puedo presentar los resultados....

Se ha camniado algunas piezas para mejor funcionamiento como por ejemplo son totalmente nuevos bolsones de aire para suspension, o nueva construccion para caja de cambio, para que es posible montar mas facil .

Aqui, ya es completado ejes frentes y con bolsones de aire :

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Aqui podrias ver como sea nueva caja de cambio

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Y eso ya es todos 105 piezas preparados para la completacion de ejes traseras

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podria ser que hoy pongo y mas fotos si termino algo de completacion

Ja Ja nueva rueda pero es poco diferente
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Tengo algunas nuevas cosas como continua proceso con modelo.

Ahora hablo del motor para Tatra. Esta disenado completamente de nuevo,para que es mas facil completar y montar y no hace complicaciones para modelistas con poca experiencia. Estado o como esta ahora ya es forma final,como va ser imprimido. Por supuesto que no asi, blanco y negro pero pintado,solo que forma ya no va cambiar

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Bien. Entonce todavia hace falta terminar con cabina y con mecanismo para carga y descarga y modelo ya esta listo

de pronto pongo mas fotos

Alguno tiempo no estoy posteando nada,por motivo que trabajo estaba parado por mi vacaciones en Venezuela. Hm,si puedo decir,es un pais marabilla,pero ok,ahora volvemo de algo de modelo.

Entonce a partir de que estoy completado todo el modelo de nuevo,tambien todavia hago cosas que faltan.

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De pronto otras cosas

Tenemos otro dias y acabo con algunas otras cosas sobre modelo.

Se trata de completizar arbol de transmision ,poner cables sobre motor y colocar motor en su sitio. pues fotos son aqui:
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Ahora voy hacer escape de motor y tapa para motor que son cosas atras de cabina. vamo a ver como me sale tubos de escape,porque realmente no tengo ni idea como hacer tubos doblados para escape de papel. pero hago algunas puebas,y podria ser que sale algo util...ja ja ja. Cuando tengo pongo porsupuesto aqui.

Entonce ya tengo cabina solo falta puerta i luces pero aproximamente manana esta terminado Las sias estoy de modelo viejo pero estoy bueno no es para que cambiar Poco de las fotos de trabajo:
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Mas grande problem de cabina es techo porlo esto callendo ahora tiene techo 4 mm entonce seguro que esta siempre derecho

Como venia nuevo dia,vienen y nuevas cosas sobre model. ya estoy terminando con cabina y esta terminada en completo. No se va poner sobre ella nada mas solo placa con matricula en final,pero asi,como esta en foto ya esta version final para publicar

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Bien.Con eso ya esta modelo montado totalmente de nuevo. Pues ahora me tocan cosas atras de cabina.....que bueno si hay algo nuevo,porque ya me aburro remodelarr cosas anterior

Como venia nuevo dia,vienen y nuevas cosas sobre model. ya estoy terminando con cabina y esta terminada en completo. No se va poner sobre ella nada mas solo placa con matricula en final,pero asi,como esta en foto ya esta version final para publicar

Zacina sa to konecne podobat na to co staviam aspon si myslim
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Bien.Con eso ya esta modelo montado totalmente de nuevo. Pues ahora me tocan cosas atras de cabina.....que bueno si hay algo nuevo,porque ya me aburro remodelarr cosas anterior

Hola

Ya estoy acabado algunas cosas de parte trasero decabina i creo que manana termino con otro lado

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Primero solo mecanismo despues sobre vehiculo
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Espero que podria ser asi y otro dia otras cosas

Mensajes: 56
Desde: 23/Dic/2008
#108 · ▲
RE: Tatra 815 - 7 EOR89 ponton

Hola companeros modelistas

Voy presentar algunas nuevas cosas sobre modelo. Se trata de sistema de carga y recarga. Con esten sistema,puede tatra encargar casi cualquier cosa que necesita transportar sola, y porsupuesto tambien descargar. Sistema es algo similar como tienen normal camiones, pero en realidad,sea solo parecido. principalmente se trata de combinacion de dos sistemas ademas una construciona para encargar contenedores marineras. Bueno,ahora estoy acabando con braso principal. Todavia hace falta sistema hydraulico, pistones, bombas, tanques para la hidraulica ect. Aqui en fotos:
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Eso es todo por ahora......todo continua

ola.

Ya tengo otro medio de sistema para carga y descarga,entonce con eso ya esta sistem completado.Aqui pongo fotos:
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Bien.Con eso ya esta modelo casi,casi terminado.hacen falta solo algunos detalles pequenos,pero ya esta casi listo.....en continuacion

Hola amigos

Ya tengo modelo casicasi terminado pues presento ultimos fotos de Tatra completada para que podrian ver como esta, como funcionan sistemas de carga y descarga, suspensiones, giros de direccion y cosas asi. Tengo esperanza que va a gustar a ustedes.

Buen aqui los fotos

primero presentacion de vehiculo completo>

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Aqui algunos fotos sobre funcionamiento de suspension,giro de direccion ect.

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Asi funciona suspension cuando esta Tatra decargada y despues cargada. Bueno, en realidad eso no se puede ver sobre uno vehiculo real porque tiene un sistema KingFrame que tiene regulacion con aire para que ejes son siempre igual. En modelo de papel no puedo utilizar aire,entonce suspension funciona como sin sistema KingFrame

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Aqui los fotos cuando esta cargando su carga

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Fotos sobre funcionamiento de rueda para reparacion y cabina

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Eso son fotos como podria Tatra entornarse en terreno,bueno en algo como terreno...ja ja ja

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Y aqui podrian ver una foto unica de todo el mundo,porque desarollamos nuestro propio y totalmente revolucionario sistema TATRA STEALTH TOTAL para eso magnifico vehiculo. Entonce podrian mirar como es Tatra maravillosa asi.
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Aqui podrian ver cuanto peas complet modelo. mis primeros cauculaciones cuando comienso con modelo serian algo como 600 g ,entonce no me equivoco en esto.

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Bien,si ahora cauculo solo con peso de papel sin pegamento,ademas con lista s con dibujos para montaje y guia de montaje estoy feliz cuando una caja con modelo esta de bajo de un kolograma. Es informacion para que es mas claro como grande y complejo esta modelo

Bueno. para esto momento esta Tatra completa y eso son ultimos fotos por ahora. Yo voy terminar numerizacion de planos, guias de montaje, traduciendo estes guias, cosas sobre poblicacion y cosas con pagina web para modelo. Cuando esta todo preparado todos aviso antes posibles.

Todas respuestas de cuando se va modelo vender,precio o cosas asi descubren despues de su pagina de web.

Here are last pictures of Tatra with exchangeable container and with a symbol of Tatra. These two things is going to be possible download from my web pages model,right after it will be online. At this moment I am still working on my web page. On the web page are going to be pictures of Tatra and all details about possibilities how to order a model , plan for a construction and many other things like some information about other models.

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I want to say thanks to all people who gave me a hand in last two years and gave me a chance. Thanks to them,one of my dreams become true. Special thanks to all of people who didnt want me to finish, were envy, couldnt cross a shadow of their own ego. Thanks for throwing me logs under my legs, defame me and pointing at me and my work.