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Wednesday, July 25th 2007, 11:48pm

RE: The Church

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Thursday, July 26th 2007, 9:36am

We followed different paths to do the same work :) I opted to make the assemblies first, fix the proper shape with some card bits and glue everything onto the main part of the church.
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Thursday, July 26th 2007, 3:15pm

Templates

Hi Ricardo,
It's interesting that you point out our different paths to achieve the same goal. This is the first time, I've glued a part onto the footprint base and gone from there. As you know, I am a big fan of templates to keep assemblies in proper alignment before they are applied to the model.

But this time, I'd thought I'd live on the edge and add the parts one at a time on the assemby. I must say I do not recommend it. Our method of making up the assembly first is a superior method of construction. You can concentrate on placing the finished assembly precisely. There are no surprises ahead of you, because you have had the opportunity to dry prefit the assembly.

Here are samples of templates I've used in other builds.
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Friday, July 27th 2007, 9:33am

Hi John,

Agreed! Let me add a couple of them :) ;)
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Friday, July 27th 2007, 8:51pm

Middle Tower

Thanks Ricardo. We should gather together some construction tips and publish a little booklet for card modellers. I still use your idea of slitting tabs on a convex curve rather than cutting out each triangular 'tooth'. I notice you like to use a right angle triangle for corner reinforcement. I tend to go for the whole assembly's shape. Your method saves material.

The discussion above about the use of templates is very relevant here as the middle tower has twenty right angle corners around its perimeter. A template is in order. I can not imagine trying to freehand glue that number of angles into proper position.

Here's the tower part and the templates for top and bottom.
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Friday, July 27th 2007, 8:53pm

RE: Middle Tower

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Friday, July 27th 2007, 8:55pm

RE: Middle Tower

Here's where the tower will be glued...
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Friday, July 27th 2007, 8:57pm

RE: Middle Tower

These photos show why this floppy part needs to be brought under control.
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Friday, July 27th 2007, 9:00pm

RE: Middle Tower

Like this...
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Friday, July 27th 2007, 9:01pm

RE: Middle Tower

...with these templates.
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Friday, July 27th 2007, 9:11pm

RE: Middle Tower

This construction brings to mind another middle tower build. The name of the church?
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Saturday, July 28th 2007, 3:03pm

RE: Middle Tower

Hello John,

it is the middle tower of the Hamburg Michel.I am building the model at the time, scaled 1:150 with dark red brickwalls. Today i am building the middle tower.

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Saturday, July 28th 2007, 4:21pm

RE: Middle Tower

Hi Lucie,
You are right. Are you building a different version of St. Michaelis? All the best with its construction. Here are two shots of the middle tower.
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Saturday, July 28th 2007, 4:24pm

RE: Middle Tower

And here is the middle tower of Stettin Church with its pilasters.
All that remains now is the brick moulding or coping (?) around the base of this tower section.
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Saturday, July 28th 2007, 8:44pm

RE: Middle Tower

Hello John,

I do not build another version of the Michel. I scaled it to 1:150 and the original I saw two weeks ago ist build up in dark red brickwalls. The cardmodel of Schreiber is only scaled in 1:300, and orange bricks you only find in southern germany but not in the northern half. Thats the reason I changed the coulors and in scale 1:150 you must see the bricks. My cardmodel is the same like the one of Schreiber I only scaled the sheets an changed the coulors. I will show some pictures at the time when my digicam is alright.

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Saturday, July 28th 2007, 9:14pm

RE: Middle Tower

Hi Lucie,
I'll look forward to seeing this revision of a great model designed and coloured by Przemyslaw Tabernacki. I thought the darkening would have been due to pollution!

Before I fix the angled ledge around the middle tower, I am jumping ahead to the vertical panels that flank the gable end at the front of the church. The openings in these brick panels contain quatrefoils -four-lobed circles.
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Saturday, July 28th 2007, 9:16pm

I did not have a hole punch small enough for each lobe of the circle. Then I thought of the blunt end of the syringe needles.
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Saturday, July 28th 2007, 9:20pm

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Sunday, July 29th 2007, 2:19am

Well done, John

I allways follow you building reports with great interrest.

The only thing I find a little bit strange is the colour of the bricks.

This computor generated bricks are too much "red" and too less realistic.

But this should not mean that your work is not outstanding.

It´s only a question of "colour".

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Sunday, July 29th 2007, 2:55am

Hello Herbert,

Yes, the colour of the bricks and the whole concept of computer generated work has been the theme of this build. Ricardo suggested that the publishing company has realized the questionable colouring and has toned things down a bit with multi-coloured bricks on newer models.

As I've noted earlier, it's the architecture here that is holding my attention, not the artwork. We will see interesting details show up soon on the gable wings and the upper tower.

Thanks for the nice comments.

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Monday, July 30th 2007, 9:50am

John, your work has progressed at warp speed this weekend!
I have no pictures of the middle tower but templates are definitely needed there. Adding triangular bits to fix a right angle to 90º is not enough is this case :( I like those card bits because, apart from saving material (as you say :)) they still allow a little twist that might be useful...

@ Lucie - I can't wait to see pictures of the Hamburger Michel in 1/150. The model will rise to 1m!!!
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Monday, July 30th 2007, 9:58am

Your method to cut small holes is very ingenious! I'd never think of it because, among other things, I hate syringes :D
The result is that, in my model, those small holes were cut with a knife and they look definitely square :rotwerd:
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Monday, July 30th 2007, 11:34am

Great parts layout construction shots Ricardo. Yes, I see your point about the triangular reinforcements allowing a little flex if needed. Another one to remember!

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Sunday, August 5th 2007, 7:54pm

Here are the two front gable panels in place as viewed from the back. Fitting the roof around all these projections could prove interesting.
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Monday, August 6th 2007, 3:14pm

The Sanctuary Roof

I found fitting the sanctuary roof in place behind the tower rather tricky. The roof cut to the printed shape did not fit the pilaster projections. This is understandable. There were many variables at work here. A pattern was made and transferred to the roof's gable end that had to slide in place behind the tower. The profile was recut using the pattern.
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Monday, August 6th 2007, 3:16pm

RE: The Sanctuary Roof

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Monday, August 6th 2007, 3:19pm

The Rear Gable

The gable at the back of the roof is faced with an ornamental brick facade. It rises above the roof. This is one feature that drew my interest to this church.

Here is where it will be located...
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Wednesday, August 8th 2007, 2:32pm

Rear Gable End

Hello Hagen,
Thank you for your kind remarks.

The construction of the rear brick gable end is quite labour intensive. There are over 100 parts involved. The result is very rewarding. This is one main feature of the building. One of the shots below shows the central panels temporarily being placed for a trial fit.
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Wednesday, August 8th 2007, 2:35pm

RE: Rear Gable End

Here is the completed screen. The finials have not been placed on the tops of the columns yet.
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Wednesday, August 8th 2007, 9:42pm

The Apse Roof

The apse roof did not fit that well. You can see the gap near the peak. This was filled with scrap material.
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Wednesday, August 8th 2007, 9:43pm

The Gable End

Here are two shots of the completed gable end. Quite a nice feature of this gothic church.
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Thursday, August 9th 2007, 5:08pm

Depth Perception

There are several different methods card model designers use to achieve depth perception for doors and windows. The two basic concepts involved are folding out the frames and casings as is done with the Czech, German and French models or building up the frames and casings as is shown here on this Polish model.

I must say that I like the look of the built up method. There is a dramatic depth perception when the brick casings step out and expand the opening one layer at a time. However, this is probably the last model I will make with this method. It is hard on blades and thereby expensive.

Here is a good example of this method.
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Friday, August 10th 2007, 10:16pm

The church is weathertight to the top of the middle tower. Here are four quartering shots of its completion to date.
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Friday, August 17th 2007, 2:55pm

The Upper Tower

It is time to take a little break from the Stephansdom in Wien build and return to this interesting polish church.

The upper octagonal tower is pierced with eight tall open lancet windows. This photo shows the tower sitting, rather 'undressed' atop the lower tower.
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Friday, August 17th 2007, 3:21pm

Church Photos

These photos of the church were forwarded to me by Gert. They were taken by fourm member Raine from skyscrapercity.com who lives in Szczecin, Poland. Sincere thanks to Gert and Raine for making them available for publication here.

Posting them here now, will mean more to the viewer. Many details of the church will be recognizable. For example, here is a comparison between photos of the gable screens and the model.
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Friday, August 17th 2007, 10:19pm

Hi Hagen,
Being retired does have its advantages. You ask a good question. I wanted to gather the models together for an visual inventory this summer.
There are 17 castles in the collection. They are located here:

Castles in Card

There are also 17 cathedrals, churches, basilica and monasteries. They are located here:

Cathedrals in Card

Thanks for asking. You will note in the second 'cathedrals in card' photo that three models are lying flat in their cover sheets - St. Bavo, Stephansdom in Wein and Stettin Church. St. Bavo is done. The other two are being built now. I forgot to put Berlin Cathedral and Maulbronn Abbey in with the collection.

Hopefully everything will come together in a retake of the second cathedral shot in September.

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Friday, August 17th 2007, 10:21pm

The Upper Tower

The buttresses around the base of the upper tower really begin to give it mass and anchor it.
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Friday, August 17th 2007, 10:50pm

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Being retired does have its advantages. You ask a good question. I wanted to gather the models together for an visual inventory this summer.
There are 17 castles in the collection. They are located here:

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There are also 17 cathedrals, churches, basilica and monasteries. They are located here:

Cathedrals in Card

Thanks for asking. You will note in the second 'cathedrals in card' photo that three models are lying flat in their cover sheets - St. Bavo, Stephansdom in Wein and Stettin Church. St. Bavo is done. The other two are being built now. I forgot to put Berlin Cathedral and Maulbronn Abbey in with the collection.

Hopefully everything will come together in a retake of the second cathedral shot in September.

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Hmmm, John, we are addicts, could you please report "some" details upon your former efforts, elementary stuff for people in need of getting satisfaction, we are having a definite need for it.....

details, details, please,..... the outmost pleasure.....

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Saturday, August 18th 2007, 10:41pm

Hello Gert,
Yes, we are definitely addicts with this card modelling. Unavoidable.
I'm not sure what you are asking Gert. General observations about the builds or my experiences with the hobby in general? I'll have to think of some comments. I've peppered quite a few throughout specific construction reports.

On with Stettin. There are several holes required in the 1mm card that just have to look right. The clock opening is one area that draws the eye. I came upon a set of punches that do the job well. They were resharpened so that thery would penetrate the card and leave a soft rolled edge.
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