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Monday, July 9th 2007, 8:54pm

Stettin Church, Modelik, 1:150 [FERTIG]

I timidly undertake the construction of this completely computer generated gothic Polish church. It involves a lot of 1mm card cutting.

I must admit that I have other projects I would rather build right now, but this church will complete a collection project. (Cathedrals in Card)

This one looks difficult...
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Monday, July 9th 2007, 8:57pm

RE: Stettin Church, Modelik, 1:150

Here is a sample of the 1mm work ahead...
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Monday, July 9th 2007, 9:04pm

RE: Stettin Church, Modelik, 1:150

hi john!

first excuse my bad english, but why build you not in the architecture competition in this forum?

it´s only a question, i will built the cologne cathedral and i hope, we will meet us.

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Monday, July 9th 2007, 10:20pm

RE: Stettin Church, Modelik, 1:150

Hi Robert,
Thanks for the encouragement to enter, but I do not feel comfortable doing this. I do not understand the rules and can not speak the language. Not a level playing field at all.
I admire your ability to converse in two languages.
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Monday, July 9th 2007, 11:03pm

RE: Stettin Church, Modelik, 1:150

hi john!

thanks for your nice words, but i dont understand your language, i had a translating book.

and dont worry, we had only one rule: build a building (?) and show us. this is it. i think its the olympic think!

best regards from cologne, robert

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Monday, July 9th 2007, 11:04pm

Hi John,
no problem at all. You just hand in some photos of your work at the end of the report, it's all just for fun, no strict rules involved. The member will do the voting and we already have some nice prices (including some rare japanese goodies). I will help where I can and most people will read english without problems-

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Monday, July 9th 2007, 11:05pm

hallo jan!

da warst du schneller, danke!

viele grüsse aus köln, robert

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Wednesday, July 11th 2007, 3:15am

Dear John,

I agree: It would be somewhat sad if you as one of the most active builder of architecture models would not join the event. I think, the event is in the first place about attracting more people to architecture models. And needless to say, it is about having some fun...

Although having little to time to make models these days, I will try to make an entry as well.

Regardless of your decision, I am looking forward to seeing your next report!

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Wednesday, July 11th 2007, 2:09pm

Thanks gentlemen.
It guess it all comes down, as you say Matthias, to enjoying the craft and having some competitive fun. You're right. Architectural interest seems a bit low on the Forum. I'm in.

Modelik employs a different technique to achieve depth with door and window frames. Rather than fold up or glue up a door or window with its casing and sill and mount it into its opeining from the back, Modelik builds up the frame by laminating layers on top of the printed window or door. Each part for the layers is bonded onto 1mm card stock with adhesive spray gule.

This makes for a lot of hard cutting. The blades dull quickly! Here's the setup...
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Wednesday, July 11th 2007, 2:27pm

Thank you John!

Very interesting approach you are showing us here. I have seen similar things so far only from people, who try to improve the threedimentional impression of their models. You can find an example in the Card Modeling book from Alvar Hansen (pages 53 to 55).

Looking forward to seeing more!

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Wednesday, July 11th 2007, 7:26pm

Matthias, wouldn't mind having that book.

Here is a front and back shot showing built up windows and doors glued behind the first wall. You can clearly see the stacking of the parts - each one progressively stepping outward from the previous one.
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Thursday, July 12th 2007, 2:05am

Dear John,

I assume you can still get the book from Schreiber Bogen. Take a look at their web page under:

http://www.mb-v.de/versand/schreiberdeu/…d/schreiberdeu/

Schreiber delivers models to overseas.

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Thursday, July 12th 2007, 2:20am

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It guess it all comes down, as you say Matthias, to enjoying the craft and having some competitive fun. You're right. Architectural interest seems a bit low on the Forum. I'm in.


When I do understand right, we have a new competitor for our contest.

Welcome to the contest and I will follow you building report with great interest.

greetings from Vienna, Herbert


What we have to do now, is to transfer this thread.

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Thursday, July 12th 2007, 4:24am

Hallo Herbert,

Yes indeed! And I may add, it is very good news. The more people join, the better the overview will be on how diverse architecture models can be. Hopefully, we will get many different models from many different providers. That is part of the reason why I picked my own entry: Unknown publisher, and a different concept (no internal structures). And on top of that, we will even have some personal designs.

I am happy to see that developing!

Good luck to very one joining the event!

Best,

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Friday, July 13th 2007, 2:17pm

Hello Herbert,
I think you misunderstood. I definitely will now be in the competition, but I think you assumed it would be Stettin Church. No, I have not decided what model I will enter yet. I'd like to finish St. Stephens and Stettins first.

Hello Matthias,
Yes, the energy could be building!

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Friday, July 13th 2007, 7:11pm

Tower Base

The tower base was built up like a nice little cube. Notice that there are no tabs at the top edge of the walls. This is the first time I have seen a roof deck section inset.Very clean. Reinforcing strips of card stock fell short of the roof edge to provide a shelf for this inset roof section.
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Friday, July 13th 2007, 7:12pm

RE: Tower Base

Here are two shots of the tower base.
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Sunday, July 15th 2007, 10:42pm

I have a new respect for card modellers who cut formers for fuselages and bulwarks of ships. That 1mm card is hard on the hands, wrists and blades! Much of this church is printed on very thin paper and bonded to heavier card stock. For very small parts, I have decided to use a lighter card...

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Sunday, July 15th 2007, 10:44pm

New meets Old

Here's a look at modern brick facing ancient stone...
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RE: New meets Old

...and again.
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Monday, July 16th 2007, 9:52am

Nice comparison between Stettin and Wien walls :) The size is similar but Stettin is at 1/165 and Wien 1/300. It is fun to notice that the completed models have almost the same height!
John, I noticed that you are painting the card edges. It gives a brighter look than in the model I built some time ago...
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Monday, July 16th 2007, 12:04pm

Yes, the painted edges make it brighter, a look I don't particularly like. As a matter of fact, I think you know where my loyalties would lie between the two models. However, I'd like to get up to the ormanmentation challenges above the roof and see what they offer.

You must have received my PN. Thanks for including your photos. Feel free to add lots as we go along. They'll show us how it should be done!

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Monday, July 16th 2007, 2:50pm

As always, you are too kind, John :) It will be both a pleasure and an honour to contribute to your thread ;)

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Tuesday, July 17th 2007, 10:16pm

The Sanctuary

The body of the church is next. In this scale (1:150) the buttresses will seem huge compared to St. Bavo!
Note: I have the vivid setting active on my digital camera. That's why the bricks seem so, well - vivid!
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Wednesday, July 18th 2007, 9:31am

A strange thing with this kit is that Modelik forgot (?) to paint some doors!!! Look at the contrast between the front door and the lateral ones...
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Wednesday, July 18th 2007, 3:07pm

Yes, it is quite peculiar that the doors are blank. There must be a story here. I can't imagine overlooking painting, not one, but both doors.
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Wednesday, July 18th 2007, 3:10pm

Buttresses

The buttresses are on the sanctuary walls. This meant that the window sills could be placed between each one.
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Wednesday, July 18th 2007, 4:01pm

Dear John,

you are making nice progress here! I like gothic churches made from brick stones. They remind me to my old home town Luebeck, where I lived a long time ago. However, the red of the Stettin Church is a bit too strong for my feeling - or is it only the photos? In addition, the brick stones on the German churches I recall as less evenly stained, and there should be more dark stones on the church.

Otherwise very nice built.

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Wednesday, July 18th 2007, 4:11pm

Dear Matthias,

That's why I was hesitant to begin this church. The model is computer generated. The warmth and shadow is just not there. However, it's the architecture of the building that is driving me onward.

Did you see the 'old vs. new' comparative shot above? I think it makes the point you and I agree upon. Weathered brick would have been nice, but that would require hand work. Here is a case where the computer can not match the human touch.

(I guess there are CAD programs that could have aged those bricks...)

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Thursday, July 19th 2007, 9:39am

I agree that the model would be prettier with a less uniform 'coat' of bricks. Modelik, most probably, came to the same conclusion as they used another pattern of brick in their newer Brama Wolinska. The stone pattern, however, is the same for ages!...
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Saturday, July 21st 2007, 10:39pm

Yes, Ricardo, the brickwork here is more interesting. The stonework... hmm....

This model still intrigues me. It's as though it stepped right off the drafting table, ( in this case right off the computer screen) into an actual three dimensional model, pristine and perfect in every detail. There is nothing realistic about its age, weathering or wear and tear at all. I think that's what makes it what it is.

Here is the apse being formed up...
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Sunday, July 22nd 2007, 7:22am

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Yes, it is quite peculiar that the doors are blank. There must be a story here. I can't imagine overlooking painting, not one, but both doors.


Hoi John,

Here in the Netherlands entrances which got out of use have their doors removed and were filled up with bricks, elimanating in this way the problem of draught people might have had complaints on. The former entrances were painted white probably because of esthetical reasons,

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Sunday, July 22nd 2007, 4:19pm

Hi Gert,
A perfectly logical explanation.

Here's a novelty shot of two models close to each other at rest and yet about nine centuries apart.
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Sunday, July 22nd 2007, 6:48pm

Additional info:

Hoi John,

In the book by Hans-Ulrich Engel: Pommern, Unvergessene Heimat (ISBN 3881891579) the church is mentioned being originally a late-gothic church, extensively rebuilt after a fire in the 19th century. The village where she is situated, SZCZECIN-DBIE, was called in those days Altdamm.

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Sunday, July 22nd 2007, 8:29pm

RE: Additional info:

Gert,
Thank you for the historical information. You are very kind. This is most gratifying to learn more about the location - Altdamm.

The buttresses around the polygonal apse are steped back twice as they rise to their full height. The designer of this model wisely did not use tabs in their design. The result is clean,crisp edges. Because the back edges straddle the angled corners of the apse, they contact the wall furthur down each wall. In the second photo you can see the single edges (no tabs) that will do this.
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Sunday, July 22nd 2007, 8:31pm

Apse Buttresses

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Wednesday, July 25th 2007, 10:22pm

Chapels

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Wednesday, July 25th 2007, 10:24pm

RE: Chapels

...and the other one, shown here under construction.
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Wednesday, July 25th 2007, 10:38pm

RE: Chapels

As you can see, the segmented roof of the chapel makes it possible to fit it in place more easily. The roof has to straddle a buttress.
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Wednesday, July 25th 2007, 11:47pm

The Church

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