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Sunday, September 16th 2007, 10:37pm

Now the shelf is created around the wall to hold up the back of the roof. This means that the roof can gently be lowered onto this shelf. No fussing with internal tabs.
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Sunday, September 16th 2007, 10:39pm

After the front wall is in place the roof can be set in place. This roof is sloped down to the left and forward to the the front.
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Sunday, September 16th 2007, 11:51pm

Here is another progress shot. Notice the terraces on the roofs of the chapels on the left and right sides of the cathedral. Asymmetrical and rather nice.

You know, it's aerial shots of a model that bring out such details. On foot, walking around the cathedral, you would probably never be aware of subtle differences between north and south sides. Also, if there was an attempt to just compare by eye as one walked from one side of the cathedral to the other, the mind probably would have not retained the information from the first side as you view the second side.

I would like to know why there was such a deliberate effort to make north and south sides of cathedrals different and yet close enough to carry the architectural theme.
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Tuesday, September 18th 2007, 12:17am

Here again, is another example of close fitting that results in the tabs being cut off.
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Tuesday, September 18th 2007, 12:18am

The shelf is glued against the back wall.
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Tuesday, September 18th 2007, 12:22am

And finally, the roof is set in place.
This method of attaching shed style roofs works quite well. The roof is able to relax and lie down upon the perfectly horizontal back shelf and the parallel front wall tabs. Cutouts for buttresses pose no problem.
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Tuesday, September 18th 2007, 3:11pm

Dear John,

very nice to see how the model is moving forward!

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Thursday, September 20th 2007, 10:22pm

The model is looking splendid, but then that goes without saying.

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I would like to know why there was such a deliberate effort to make north and south sides of cathedrals different and yet close enough to carry the architectural theme.


I am not sure that there was a deliberate effort to make things different - it just happened, the reason being the passing of time. The South tower, the "Steffl", was planned in 1359, but not completed until 1433, going through a series of master masons each with his own ideas and ending up very different from the original design. The North tower wasn't even started until 1450, over 90 years after the South, and building technology had advanced considerably in that time. No doubt the masons would have wanted to be up with the latest fashions, so even though it was supposed to match the South tower, it was bound to turn out rather different.

It took over sixty years to get as far as the truncated portion, and nearly another 70 before someone got round to "finishing" it off with the pavilion with the funny roof. I suppose that after you have been staring at an unfinished tower for so long you will accept anything!

[I hereby confess that most of my information comes directly from the brief history included with the L'Instant Durable model. Perhaps this is one small area in which it scores over the Schreiber.]

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Friday, September 21st 2007, 11:35pm

Hy John,

I really enjoy reading your buildup story about that well detailed cathedral.
I´ve been to Vienna this summer and I also thought about building that nice building by a paper modell. As I have a long list and a lot of non built paper models in my locker I did not buy that modell yet. But when I see your modell growing (and you´re doing very well =D> ) I feel some longings.


Keep on going and much luck,

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PS.: In any case of not understanding something of the above; sorry for a bad english.

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Saturday, September 22nd 2007, 4:15pm

Hi Pat,
Visiting the cathedral must have been a very pleasant experience. I have built a lot of European cathedarls, but alas, have not set foot in one of them! Thanks for the encoruagement.

I could not resist taking a shot of this little statue. He stands quietly in a corner on the north side of the cathedral. The details shown in the artwork at 7mm still thrill me.
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Saturday, September 22nd 2007, 4:19pm

Hello Norm, Matthias and Alan,
Thank you for your kind comments.
Alan, thank you for the excellent chronological construction details. Good stuff!

Here are some pictures of the cathedral with the two front towers in place.
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Saturday, September 22nd 2007, 4:21pm

Another one...
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Saturday, September 22nd 2007, 4:22pm

...with a final shot of the west facade.
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Saturday, September 22nd 2007, 10:39pm

Hi Hagen,
I'm sure you will have your digital camera with you when you visit Vienna. You can post the last shot of this build with a picture of the cathedral!
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Monday, September 24th 2007, 12:12am

Hello John,

very nice built =D> !!!

I have this wunderfull model too (still unopened kit) and it is one of my favorites to build in my holidays probably in December.

Looking forward to the continuation of your building report!

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Monday, September 24th 2007, 4:26am

As you would like some photos: I also visited Vienna when I was in austria for my holidays this summer. As you will see the Stephansdom ist not in a very good condition as I think. A lot of dirt over the century has blackened big areas of the stone.

Photo #1: A collage of two photos (as my wide-angle-lens could not manage a whole shot ;) ) taken from the western side.
Photo #2: A close up of the little tower on the right side above the main entrance.
Photo #3: A detail on the west corner (below the tower in picture #2).
Photo #4: A figure right in the backside of photo #3. So this can be found on the eastern corner.
Photo #5: West side roof taken from the western tower.
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Monday, September 24th 2007, 4:30am

Photo #1: The roof on the south taken from the stairs as I was going down from the tower.
Photo #2: A little modell found on the side of the building inbetween the south tower and the main entrance. I hope you will ad that detail to your modell ;).


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PS.: I´m sorry as the weather was not that good and the tower was covered :rotwerd: .
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Monday, September 24th 2007, 9:43am

John, it looks like you were not as lucky as me with your model. I enclose a picture were you can see the uncompleted tower. From bottom to top, the parts are darker / lighter / darker and lighter again. I can see the same pattern in your model but, perhaps, a bit more contrasted. Schreiber, what have you been doing? :rolleyes:
In what regards your building quality, no need to comment @) :D
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Monday, September 24th 2007, 12:47pm

Hello Pat and Ricardo,
Thanks to both of you for adding interesting material to this post. Much appreciated.

Pat, the photographs are marvelous. If I have your permission, I would like to repeat some of them in upcoming posts where your picture would be on the left and the actual model part or parts that represent what is shown in that photo is on the right. Okay?

Ricardo, yes I did notice colour variation, but it does not concern me. We'll call it the ravages of time and our polluted environment. I remember a friend saying with disappointment after returning from a holiday in Germany that Cologne Cathedral appeared black on the outside. Of course, the colour changes would be uniform, unlike mine.

P.S. Maybe it's my camera. I have noticed, even with the vivid feature off, accentuated minor colour variations not seen with the naked eye. I use the vivid setting to intensify the colours. Otherwise, some details appear washed out.

Thanks again.
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Monday, September 24th 2007, 4:45pm

Hy John,

unfortunately my photos are not marvelous due to that bad weather and me just getting warm with my new camera :( . The pictures would be much better if the weather would have shown me a nice sunbright day with blue skies.
But you may use them for your comparison of modell and original. I think that´s a nice idea and will be fun to see :) .
So I looked through my pictures but found only two more that show the cathedral from the outside (and some more from the inside). Here you are:

picture #1: shows the top of the north tower as it can be seen from the south tower.
picture #2: you see the south-west front of the building (the main entrance is on the left edge). On this picture you can also see where the small model is located! It is that small black spot on the right below the second window ;) . The right end of the picture shows the base of the southern tower.


Wishing you much luck with your model, Pat.

EDIT: The markings on the ground show the layout of a little chapel that was standing where right beside the Stephansdom until 1781. Better to be seen on pict. #3.
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Monday, September 24th 2007, 5:14pm

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Thanks for the extra pictures . Look forward to setting up the comparative shots.

Here is the main section of roof over the nave in place. It wraps itself around the two front towers.
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Monday, September 24th 2007, 5:17pm

The Roof

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Monday, September 24th 2007, 5:18pm

RE: The Roof

...and from the back.
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Monday, September 24th 2007, 7:46pm

RE: The Roof

The hip roof between the two front towers needs to go in snugly with no gaps. The eye will pick them up immediately. The printed part for this hip roof was too wide. It had to be cut down in width to slip in. Of course, this meant that the tabs would be cut off.

Here is a shot of another template being tested. It will be placed over the printed part and used as the pattern for cutting. Note the little strip of white paper. Templates are easy to modify if you don't get them right the first time. Actually, you can build up an entire template with paper pieces.
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Wednesday, September 26th 2007, 3:06am

The Front Towers

The west towers remind me of the octagonal towers on a small church here in Peterborough. They don't have spires. They are capped.
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Wednesday, September 26th 2007, 4:50pm

RE: The Front Towers

Here is the hip roof in place.
Now for the spires...
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Wednesday, September 26th 2007, 8:51pm

RE: The Front Towers

The first steeple is in place.
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Friday, September 28th 2007, 4:20pm

RE: The Front Towers

Both steeples are in place. There will be parts to add later. There are some nice iconic parts for the very tops of the steeples.

I have had the bad luck in the past of knocking items off roofs and tower tops. Invariably they get caught with a sleeve, banged into the boom of my magnifying light or simply knocked off while attempting a small repair somewhere else.

I'll delay my gratification until all the mundane parts are in place.
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Friday, September 28th 2007, 4:22pm

The Apse Roof

A bit of bad luck with the ridge of the apse roof. It is not in line with the ridge of the choir roof. Faulty gluing of the roof panels parts that resulted in a twist.
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Friday, September 28th 2007, 4:25pm

RE: The Apse Roof

The twist is not too noticable from this angle. No overhead shots will be provided!
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Friday, September 28th 2007, 7:46pm

RE: The Apse Roof

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A bit of bad luck with the ridge of the apse roof. It is not in line with the ridge of the choir roof. Faulty gluing of the roof panels parts that resulted in a twist.


Believe me. It is not looking too bad and I think I would´nt have noticed it if you did not mention it. So please keep on providing photos from every angle :meister: .


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Friday, September 28th 2007, 11:32pm

Hi John,

Nobody will notice this "twist" when afterwards you finished the tower.

I´m happy that you build a model that is located in my homecity.

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Monday, October 1st 2007, 9:51am

John, if that makes you happy, my model has also a slight twist at the same place and to the same side!! :rotwerd: Too much of a coincidence?
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Monday, October 1st 2007, 5:55pm

Hi Pat and Herbert,
Thank you for your encouragement to not overreact to flaws. We all make them and never seem to learn to not be so hard on ourselves when we make them.

Hi Ricardo,
Thank you for sharing a similar fate with your apse roof. You are very kind.

The steep roof on this cathedral reminds me of the high pitched Austrian ski lodges. It is peppered with rows of little gable dormers. There are 36 on the nave roof as Alan has pointed out and 8 on the choir roof.
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Monday, October 1st 2007, 6:00pm

The more I see your pics the more I am attracted
After train I feel like I want to take up architecture....

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Monday, October 1st 2007, 6:04pm

Tiled Roofs

The eagle is prominently rendered in tile on both sides of the choir roof . As a matter of fact the entire roof is arranged in a zigzag pattern of tiles numbering approximately 230,000.
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Monday, October 1st 2007, 6:20pm

The Nave Roof

Four large gables are built into each side of the nave roof. They are nicely designed to fold up to simulate a thick front stone facade.
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Monday, October 1st 2007, 7:25pm

Hello Yu,
Sorry, I missed your post. Thanks for the comment. Yes, with your skills of precision and detail, you would excel at architecture.

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Saturday, October 6th 2007, 8:31pm

I'm assuming that the four large dormers in the roof here will create four bays in the nave of the cathedral.
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Saturday, October 6th 2007, 8:39pm

I mentioned earlier that there are approximately 230 000 tiles in the roof of the cathedral. Here is an actual photo taken from the south tower by Pat, a member of Kartonbau.de. The individual tiles are clearly visible in this photograph. Thanks Pat.
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