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Monday, July 9th 2007, 8:45pm

Stephansdom in Wien Schreiber-Bogen [FERTIG]1:300

AlanG has outlined the construction of a scanned and reduced version of this Austrian cathedral published by L"Instant Durable. I would like to build the original German 1:300 version.

It does not seem appropriate to duplicate a construction report of this cathedral. Therefore, I would like to post only weekly progress.

We start with an unpainted base for the cathedral.

The first progress report will be July 16, 2007.
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Monday, July 9th 2007, 10:06pm

RE: Stephansdom in Wien Schreiber-Bogen 1:300

Looking forward! The model is wonderfully colored, must be a dish to build!

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Tuesday, July 10th 2007, 10:01am

John, are you building 2 complex architecture models at the same time ?! Well, it may be a good idea - Schreiber and Modelik construction methods are so different that if you want to take a break on one of them, the other is happily at hand.
Good luck on both of them ;)

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Tuesday, July 10th 2007, 3:30pm

RE: Stephansdom in Wien Schreiber-Bogen 1:300

Hi Gloomy,
Yes, the artwork on this model is wonderful. Attention to detail is outstanding. Your eye sees little things that are painstakingly rendered. An effigy here against a wall, a stone tableau picked out in shadowed detail on a wall there... and so on.

Hi Dieter,
Greetings form Ontario, Canada.
The model was purchased from Peter Heesch in Reston, Virginia.
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I send Peter an e-mail to inquire about stock and order models. He sends the printed material via air mail and lets me know the costs. Then I send him a Postal Money Order. He trusts me!
Don't know what shipping costs to Australia would be...
You would not be disappointed paying for this model. It is well worth having and would mean so much more to you.

Cheers...John

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Tuesday, July 10th 2007, 3:38pm

RE: Stephansdom in Wien Schreiber-Bogen 1:300

Hi Ricardo,
You are right about the plan to alternate the work. Cutting that heavy card can get to you after a while. Walls of computer generated bricks are not that exciting either. But I must say, the overall effect of the brickwork is so different, it adds another dimension to the model collection.

I see your 'lego' work is starting to develop into something more now.. (sorry)

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Wednesday, July 11th 2007, 10:49am

RE: Stephansdom in Wien Schreiber-Bogen 1:300

John

I'm really looking forward to seeing your construction photos - I hope that you don't make your weekly reports too brief. It should be very interesting to compare the German and French model designs, as well as seeing your modelling skills as always.

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Wednesday, July 11th 2007, 2:29pm

Dear John,

I agree with Alan! Please show us how you make this model. It could be nice to compare to two designs.

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Tuesday, July 17th 2007, 2:14pm

Cathedral Windows

Matthias, comparison between the French and German models is a wonderful idea. Alan, feel free to pop in any comparitive photos of your model as we go along.

This first week has been window week. The method of constructing them is shown here in this first photo. Note the lovely, soft pastel colours in the window and the details. You can see the little muntins holding individual panels of glass clearly.
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Tuesday, July 17th 2007, 2:20pm

RE: Cathedral Windows

The larger windows are set in place quite easily. But some of the narrower windows join on a slender mullion. I like how these windows are fastened. Unlike the Ulm Cathedral build, they are ganged together. They don't have to be put in individually. Here are the mullions.
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Tuesday, July 17th 2007, 2:22pm

RE: Cathedral Windows

These picutures show how the narrow windows are fastened together.

Note: Take a close look at the tracery in the small windows. They are not the same. They alternate their pattern. Nice attention to detail picked up and faithfully rendered in the model.
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Tuesday, July 17th 2007, 2:30pm

RE: Cathedral Windows

While we are thinking of comparisons, here is a shot comparing this build with the Stettin build. Different scales but almost the same model size. What a contrast!
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Tuesday, July 17th 2007, 2:32pm

RE: Cathedral Windows

So this week, I will finish the windows and get some walls up. See you July 24.
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Monday, July 23rd 2007, 8:07pm

Week Two

The exterior walls are up.
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Monday, July 23rd 2007, 8:09pm

RE: Week Two

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Monday, July 23rd 2007, 8:15pm

Problem Solving

This week I ran into a bit of a problem with a small buttress. In stepping back, the walls of the buttresses became very narrow as they rose to their full height. Another part of the buttress was designed to glue onto this narrow section.

All went well at first, but then when I ran an eye down the buttress, it had twisted. In trying to correct the twist, I almost lost the part.

I've had buttresses twist before. I decided to give the next one a backbone with a strip of mahogany. Then the front part of the buttress could be added with its tabs cut off.

Here's how the process evolved. First, the parts...
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Monday, July 23rd 2007, 8:17pm

RE: Problem Solving

Inserting the mahogany strip...
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Monday, July 23rd 2007, 8:19pm

RE: Problem Solving

Here, you can see the tabs removed from the front part of the buttress. They can't be used because the mahogany strip occupies the space where they would have been fastened.
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Monday, July 23rd 2007, 8:21pm

RE: Problem Solving

And finally the finished buttress.
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Monday, July 23rd 2007, 8:23pm

Next Week

Next week, all the buttresses should be in place, and some tower work begun.

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Friday, August 3rd 2007, 11:22pm

Week Three

The front of the cathedral with tower work underway.
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Friday, August 3rd 2007, 11:23pm

RE: Week Three

The back of the cathedral to date.
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Friday, August 3rd 2007, 11:33pm

Dear John,

as a Viennese boy, I like to see the landmark of my hometown growing. As I noticed one tower is in progress and I want to know which one it is. The uncompleted tower carries the big bell named "Bummerin" which is widely known from Silverster eve while she welcome the new year.

Amazing are the details you show us and I'am keen to see the further progress.

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Wednesday, August 15th 2007, 6:00pm

Week Four

Hello René,
Thank you for your interest and kind remarks. This first tower being constructed is the tall, completed one. Thank you for the information about the bell in the shorter tower.

Here are four shots showing the progression of the tower's build - two in this post and two in the next. Lots of details has been modelled in the many parts.
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Wednesday, August 15th 2007, 6:01pm

RE: Week Four

The other two completing shots...
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Wednesday, August 15th 2007, 6:10pm

RE: Week Four

Here is a quartering shot of what I assume to be the south side of the cathedral.
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Monday, September 3rd 2007, 9:23pm

Moving Onward

With Stettin Church on the shelf, full attention turns now to this Austrian beauty. Here is a walkaround of the exterior.The verdigris on the outbuilding roofs is quite nice. Actually, the whole earth tone renderings of the stone is quite a nice change from rows of brilliant red bricks!
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Monday, September 3rd 2007, 9:24pm

RE: Moving Onward

Other areas...
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Tuesday, September 4th 2007, 11:26am

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Firstly, my apologies for being silent for so long. My brother and father have both been ill, and it has made me a bit disinclined to get involved in other things. I have been keeping an eye on your multiple model threads, though, to make sure that you are doing them properly (!)

It is clear that you have done well to choose the Schreiber version of Stephansdom over L'Instant Durable. In general the level of detail is better and more suited to your skills. Most noticeable are the windows and entrances under the towers - it was a disappointment to me that L'Instant Durable provide no depth to these, printing them flat on the walls (except for the main window and doorway on the West front). It is particularly marked on the great windows of the tower, where the Schreiber version looks very much more convincing.

One thing I have noticed with your version, though, is that at the lower levels the buttresses of the nave and tower are cut square across at the top, with the detail of peaks and crosses just printed on. L'Instant Durable simplify them greatly, but at least cut out triangular portions to break up the profile. Considering the amount of detail elsewhere on the Schreiber model this is a little surprising, but I suppose one can't have everything!

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Wednesday, September 5th 2007, 12:13am

Hello Alan,

So sorry to hear of health issues in your immediate family. Illness certainly changes the priorities. All the best to you and your loved ones.

Yes, I am pleased with the German version of this cathedral. You make a good observation about the straight topped tracery. I think it is because there are large voids below them leaving very spindly supports in place . Perhaps I could have attempted to cut them to break up the profile.

New work begins with the creation of the core of the north tower. There are fifty-five accordion style long vertical folds involved here. Some of them are within 2 or 3 millimeters of each other. The resulting perimeter is interesting, although the tower itself will fall well short of spectacular as it appears cut off at the knees. It was never finished. More about that later.
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Wednesday, September 5th 2007, 4:36pm

The north tower is in place ready to be 'dressed'.
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Wednesday, September 5th 2007, 4:37pm

Here is another view of the two towers coming up as viewed from the apse.
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Saturday, September 15th 2007, 7:47pm

The North Tower

Hagen, no apology needed. You follow more of my threads than I of yours.

Here is the north tower. I'm sure the church fathers had high hopes for this structure. It carries all the elements of grandure that appear on the South Tower. But alas, it was never completed.
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Saturday, September 15th 2007, 7:48pm

RE: The North Tower

Here is a shot showing where construction was called to a halt.
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Saturday, September 15th 2007, 7:52pm

RE: The North Tower

I guess that this photograph might represent what masons would see on their scaffolds. The carpenters have probably started construction of the upper beams and trusses on the ground. Ususally the walls and towers went up first.
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Saturday, September 15th 2007, 9:44pm

RE: The North Tower

So, what to do with the 'stump' of a tower that only rises about 68 meters? I am not an architect, but to my eye, the designers dropped the ball with the design of what was to become the tower top.

What they ended up with was a silly pegoda roof that sits on top of a short octagonal tower section.

Sorry for being so critical. The church is magnificant and an inspiration to all all who view, enter or worship there.
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Saturday, September 15th 2007, 10:16pm

Hi John,
I´m absolutely amazed by your precise and accurate build of this church.
I followed your report since the start of it and i hope to learn a lot about your techniques.

best regards Robi
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Sunday, September 16th 2007, 10:18pm

Hello Robi,
Thank you. Sharing information and construction tips is a big part of what makes participation on this forum fun.

There are a lot of outbuildings around the perimeter of this cathedral with sloped copper roofs. They require some care in their construction.

Here is a technique I have found useful for roofs that are intended to stick to walls with tabs. I find this approach troublesome. Instead I cut off all the tabs and build a shelf to hold the roof.

To illustrate, here is the site for such a building...
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Sunday, September 16th 2007, 10:19pm

...and here is the roof to cover this space.
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Seldom will a roof such as this fit the contours of the walls and projections.
I make a pattern of the original. (left)
Then the pattern is cut and repeatedly dry fitted. (right)
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Sunday, September 16th 2007, 10:25pm

The pattern is placed over the orginal part and the orgininal roof is sized to the pattern. (left)
The result is a roof that will fit. The tabs are gone. (right)
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