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Friday, October 28th 2005, 4:02pm

Revenge / Shipyard / 1:96

Hi,
I have started to build Revenge 1588. I was inspired by Nelsons Victory project but Victory itself seems to difficult for me.
So, if somebody have built it or have any suggestions write please (in English).

I attach photo of Revenge built by unknow modeller.
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Friday, October 28th 2005, 8:23pm

corrections

First: I am a male - that was bug :). I am learning this (for me a new) board system and some mistakes occoured.

Second and important: On the picture is NOT my Revenge - I have attached this picture from my archive becouse there exist no image, no drawing and no photograph of real Revenge.

I have bought the Shipyard Revenge model just week ago and now I am cutting frames and keel. But it is not my very first paper model - I am from The Czech Republic, so I have built plenty models from our journal ABC - ship Arizona and some German armors for example.

I try to fill my profile informations.
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Friday, October 28th 2005, 10:29pm

RE: corrections

dobry den,
hi Radek, nice to see you! Twice the week I`m in CR by profession, but only in the western part: Marianske Lazne, Chodova plana and Touzim, sometimes Plzen.
I would like to see you building the Revenge, because I´ve never seen such an old model in paper, and how to build it, I´ve problems with the new ones :(

Radek, I know, you´ve had a free day today, hoping you´ve had used it :D

Have a great weekend
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Saturday, October 29th 2005, 7:33pm

some bug detections

Hallo!
I have found some minor bugs in frames.

First: There is no need to cut openings in frame nr. XIII and nr. XV. Visible parts of these frames will be covered by parts 33 and 34 respectively - with no openings!
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Saturday, October 29th 2005, 7:38pm

... and second: If you want to build open deck hatchech you should cut off part of nr. VII.

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Monday, October 31st 2005, 8:00am

framework

So, I have made framework - dry, without glue so far.
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Monday, October 31st 2005, 8:04am

famework, p.2

and second photo. You can see that I have cut uselessly openings in frames nr. XIII and XV. Moreover frame nr. VII has full hight still.
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Monday, October 31st 2005, 9:09am

Zdarec na Hanó Radku, za
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Kósek od Brna zdraví Bernie

Translation - my welcome to neighbour from Czech Rep.
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Monday, October 31st 2005, 10:18am

Thanks to all.
It seems I am not only one Czech modeller here:). That's good!

Now I am working on guns - theoretically. ALL pictures and photos in the Shipyard documentation are of INCOMPLETE ship! That's terrible. I have to find where to place guns and corresponding lafets before I glue the framework...
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Monday, October 31st 2005, 10:27am

Hello Radek!

Nice to see another fine czech modeller here. You are not so far away from Austria, Vienna - next neighbour at all.
As I also want to build a historical ship one day, I read your reports with great interesting.

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Tuesday, November 1st 2005, 7:37am

As I wrote, I was working on gun barrels and carriages placement yesterday. It was not very obvious neither from the instructions or from the pictures, so I had to use photos of the Revenge of the "unknown modeller" and some naval history internet pages concerning armament of my ship. I sketched a scheme, but still I can not find positions of two guns nr. 283.

Moreover - I made decission not to use preprinted lafets and barrels but made it my own way. I hope I could send first photos this evening.
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Tuesday, November 1st 2005, 5:09pm

Quoted

Originally posted by fuchsjos
Hello Radek!

Nice to see another fine czech modeller here. You are not so far away from Austria, Vienna - next neighbour at all.
As I also want to build a historical ship one day, I read your reports with great interesting.

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I think it would be quite simple for you - I have seen your ISU-152 and it looks really outstanding!
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Tuesday, November 1st 2005, 5:12pm

I have glued some carriages so you can judge it :).
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Tuesday, November 1st 2005, 5:34pm

The next step will be barrels. Picture below shows their appearance and proper numbers of carriages.
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Wednesday, November 2nd 2005, 7:25am

... and new guns ...
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Wednesday, November 2nd 2005, 7:45am

Great looking cannons - trust that paint will make them real-looking


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Hello Radek!

Nice to see another fine czech modeller here. You are not so far away from Austria, Vienna - next neighbour at all.
As I also want to build a historical ship one day, I read your reports with great interesting.

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Wednesday, November 2nd 2005, 3:38pm

Hi, Radek! :)

An outstanding building thread! =D> =D> =D>

I am thoroughly enjoying your discussion and photographs on this build. I am sure this is going to be an outstanding model, and look forward to your further updates.

Cheers!

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Thursday, November 3rd 2005, 7:31am

Next stage - glued framework with "red" stripes. This photo looks quite successfully but I have to do many little corrections and sanding.

And I work on guns still. It will be very lenghty and tedious...
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Friday, November 4th 2005, 6:59pm

... still working on guns. Just now drilling peg holes.

(Barel is made from 0,5mm wood (bambus), wraped by paper. Diameter about 2mm. Drill diam. 0,4 mm)
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Sunday, November 13th 2005, 7:20pm

I have finished first sets of guns.

From left side to right:
heavy gun for lower decks - carriages will be near fully covered
stern gun - top of wheels will be visible
rest - main deck guns
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Sunday, November 13th 2005, 7:22pm

detailed photos
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Sunday, November 13th 2005, 7:41pm

The next step will be gun tackles.

BTW: Do you have any practical experience with making blocks or tackles? Should be made of paper (carton) or of massive wood.
OK, from PAPER, surely :), but I am very afraid of stiffness of blocks.

And second - ropes (wires): Do you have experience with home made ropes (ropewalk machine) ? Or do you use bought whipcords?
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Monday, November 21st 2005, 10:58pm

...and another set of guns.
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Monday, November 21st 2005, 11:00pm

...
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Tuesday, November 22nd 2005, 8:08am

Hallo Radek,

You do a fantastic detailing work!
congratulations!

=D> =D> =D>

Greetings Friedulin

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Thursday, November 24th 2005, 4:54pm

off topic - my new book

Hi!
I need to trot out :) - I have obtained (after VERY long waiting and duty (Zoll) problems solving) new book from Amazon today. It is

The Anatomy of NELSON'S SHIPS from C Nepean Longridge
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Thursday, November 24th 2005, 4:59pm

... so my sailing ship book collection looks like this now
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Thursday, November 24th 2005, 6:37pm

self-made ropes

Michael, I did not said my ropes will be self-made - but I want TRY IT. :P :P :P

I have found pictures of ropewalks made by (wood)ship modeller from wood or from LEGO - so I bought 4V engine and sprockets, made shafts and now I try to put it together :) :) :)
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Monday, November 28th 2005, 9:36pm

Inspired by my new book and rkelterer's Bounty I have made decission to built gun tackles.
Not all, of course - only visible. So the total number of them is about 30.
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Monday, November 28th 2005, 9:53pm

Model size:
total lengh of tackle 12mm
block proportions 2 x 1 x 1 mm
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Monday, November 28th 2005, 10:04pm

..
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Tuesday, November 29th 2005, 8:05am

hi radek,

very interresting - your approach to build the blocks with the ropes together - a perfect solution for short connections or connections where you exactly know the distance between the blocks. what kind of wire do you use to form the hooks ?

greetings from austria
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Tuesday, November 29th 2005, 11:13am

Raimund:
The first attempt was to build blocks - 2x1x1mm with 0.3mm holes. (I have pictures of these - if you don't believe :) :) :) ). But it was impossible to lace the thread through. :)

ad wire: It is common cuprum wire from electric flex. I'll take some pictures of formig hooks - this evening, I hope.
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Thursday, December 1st 2005, 8:08pm

Aw, no sheaves??? :D

Seriously, exceptional job, Radek! I love your technique for stropping the blocks and running the thread for the gun tackles. They came out very well!

Your cannon look great too!

So, did you make the line (rope) yourself using that Lego rope machine? That's dedication! In any event, I really admire the way you are building this ship.

Looking forward to further updates.

Cheers!

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Friday, December 2nd 2005, 11:40am

No, no sheaves... Mea culpa, I should rebuild it... :D

Rope: My mother was a taylor - so I have plenty of threads at home. I have found the slenderest one and used it. (It is 100% polyester.)

Ropewalk machine: I'm working on this just now. Not from Lego, but wood and steel.

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Saturday, December 3rd 2005, 10:46am

Back to Revenge!

Now back to Revenge.

I have completed the first layer of "planking" (of two).
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Saturday, December 3rd 2005, 11:05am

While planking, I was inspired by Victory project (as always :) ).

You can see my ship looks quite ugly now - that's becouse my retouch technique and second and more, becouse of alarming incurvation of plates. I'm building my ship from copy of original (as always, for sake of mis-shape) and I'm affraid I used too thin paper.

So, coud you help me and advice some technics of smoothing the hull, please? I have seen two possible ways in this forum. The first is put a layer of stopper(mastic) and sanding after it and the second one could be lay a layer of thin newspaper paper and sanding.

So, as I said, any advices or links are warmly welcome.

Thanks a lot, Radek
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Saturday, December 3rd 2005, 11:06am

... two more pictures.
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Tuesday, December 6th 2005, 9:31am

...no answer, no advice...

I covered the hul by another layer of small newspaper scraps and sanded after it. It looks mottled now, but is quite smooth.

The next stage are decks.
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Tuesday, December 6th 2005, 3:08pm

Hi, Radek! :)

I am very sorry I missed that question too, but I doubt I could have suggested anything more useful as I haven't built a full hull yet anyway. :D

I have seen the use of mastic as you call it, or putty of sorts, to fill the low spots, but not the use of newspaper scraps, so if you could show us a picture, that would be great.

I do know that many times the hull plates get deformed when glued at each frame former, and I have seen some folks extend the hull plating across a few formers without using glue in between to avoid this distortion. Having never actually performed this feat, I can't say the pluses and minuses of the technique, but it seems to work very well for some. One problem is the underwater hull does not provide enough formers to make a smooth and faired hull...perhaps inserting something in between might help, such as foam or balsa wood spacers, and it might make the curve of the hull more fair for the final planking. Just some ideas for next time (and when I finally make a full hulled ship!).

In any event, your ship is really looking great! I did not realize there was so much internal detail provided in this kit, what with the Captian's cabin and such...awesome!

Cheers!

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