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Monday, October 6th 2008, 3:02pm

Petersdom in Rom

As you know, this model is Schreiber's biggest architecture subject. It is possible that it is the best as well! I bought it some years ago, to start building only now. The 60 A4 pages with over 2000 parts, as well as the huge size (114cm...) were certainly a factor for the delay...
I started with the more repetitive work - the square's columns. 288 of the circular cross-section type, to be precise :rolleyes:
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Monday, October 6th 2008, 3:58pm

RE: Petersdom in Rom

Hi Ricardo,

Closing my eyes I can picture what it will be. It will surely be spectacular!!!

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Monday, October 6th 2008, 4:09pm

hi ricardo!

good luck for this model - its huge but easy to build. all parts fits very well and the finished model looks really impressive.

here are some pictures from my model (scroll down)

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Monday, October 6th 2008, 4:21pm

Hi Ricardo,

here looks inside of the Petersdom.

Good look for your Model.

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Monday, October 6th 2008, 7:54pm

Hello Ricardo,

Also for me the "famous" piece 94 and the skulptures were things I easely can remember of this build. But there are also lots of things which were in better remember (or lets say more agreable).
All in all it's a "must" of Schreibers perhaps...

:super:I'll join,

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Tuesday, October 7th 2008, 10:11am

@ Yu - spectacular, maybe; huge, surely :D
@ Waltair - I see that you like Schreiber's models! You are not alone ;)There is one in your collection that I have waiting - it is the Escorial. Very pretty, too!
@ Ernst - I bet we agree that having something inside is always a plus in architecture paper models :) It is interesting (or frightening :rolleyes: ) to compare the size of this model with the Ulm cathedral that appears on your third picture...
@ Xeno06 - well, moving on with that part 94 (94,001 to 94,288 so far :D) I choose to put a cylinder of rolled paper inside. Hopefully, it will be easier to glue, latter on...
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Tuesday, October 7th 2008, 1:26pm

Hello Ricardo,
So nice to see your name pop up each day again. Required daily reading for many of us!

With the repetitive work of making the columns, it looks as though you may have this project all rolled up... Couldn't resist. Actually it looks as though there is a lot of very interesting building ahead. Fun for you to build and fun for us to watch.

Another masterpiece in the making.

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Wednesday, October 8th 2008, 7:39am

Hello Ricardo,

You must be a heavy smoker, if you need so many cigarettes to finish this model!

:D :D :D

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Wednesday, October 8th 2008, 3:01pm

@ John and Norman - Not just rolling, it is rocking as well :D A bit of smooth jazz is helpful, too :rotwerd:
@ Friedulin - well, no. I'm not a smoker, I'm not heavy and certainly not a heavy smoker. It doesn't really matter if the cigarettes are small, cheap and holy ;)
The rectangular based columns are 'just' 40. I 'processed' them before completing the circular based ones. The proposed gluing tabs were triangular. As I don't like sharp pointed tabs (you either, John ;) ) I opted for more manageable shapes...
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Thursday, October 9th 2008, 10:04am

The only problem with the column bases is their number. No, I'm not referring to the '94a'...
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Monday, October 13th 2008, 3:09pm

The columns tops are very much like the columns bases. Easy, but there are a lot of them...
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Monday, October 13th 2008, 3:35pm

Hello Ricleite,

you make a great Job with of the Petersdom.

I luk alltimes in your Report your pictures is very good =D> =D>

Regarts from Munich
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Tuesday, October 14th 2008, 2:54pm

@ Ernst - glad you like the pictures :) They will keep coming ;)
The 'inside' has not many parts but the colours are very nice!
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Wednesday, October 15th 2008, 3:05pm

The kit is designed in several platforms. The first one has several big parts, reinforced with card.
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Thursday, October 16th 2008, 2:39pm

The main stairs have three levels and each of them is supported by a card grid. I opted not to make the cuts in the tabs at the grid junctions. That is visible on the second picture. Continuous, bended, tabs are always helpful to help keep a line straight.
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Friday, October 17th 2008, 10:11am

Decorating the big, flat walls takes up a lot of parts. Let's start with part 24...
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Saturday, October 18th 2008, 12:43am

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I opted not to make the cuts in the tabs at the grid junctions. That is visible on the second picture. Continuous, bended, tabs are always helpful to help keep a line straight.


I took note of your good idea :)

BTW, the design of bowl you put cigarettes looks beautiful. Is it made in China or Japan?

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Monday, October 20th 2008, 3:26pm

@Yu - the bowl is neither Chinese nor Japanese but plainly Portuguese. The green and red colours mean something, here ;)
The wall bases have many parts to give thickness. What I show today is only the first set of parts…
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Monday, October 20th 2008, 7:16pm

Hello friends,

above I read about rolling and rocking(?) R'n'R in the Dome St. Peter?Certainly not. But rolling the pillars is a must for constructing the dome.
What You've built till now looks fab.

With the best regards

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Tuesday, October 21st 2008, 2:45pm

Thanks for the comment, modellschiff :)
The second set of parts has some cases where two columns are bridged. To put the top of the 'bridge' in place, I used the well known shelf method.
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Wednesday, October 22nd 2008, 2:48pm

Some more columns and the parts for the top of the first level. There is no need to paint the upper edges of these parts because they will be covered.
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Thursday, October 23rd 2008, 7:45am

Hi Ricardo,

Since I am a novice building modelr don't know what is the shelf method. Mind explaining it?

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Thursday, October 23rd 2008, 12:01pm

Hi Ricardo,

This is masterful work. The layering of parts around the base of pilasters reminds me of Hamburg's St. Michaelis cathedral.

In the photo featuring parts 27, I notice that the scissor icon is used on the back sides to represent cuts. I wonder why they were not designated with fold lines and extended 'x's' to indicate reverse folds instead of cuts. Would this not be confusing to a novice? Cutting up those lovely accordion strips into little segments would defeat the fun of folding in and out and easily building up realistic thickness the bases of the pilasters. I can't remember if this icon was used on the Hamburger Michael model.

Your column and capital work Ricardo is impeccable. Hallmarks of your clean, precise constructions.

You must be pleased with the high count number of this model!

Cheers...John

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Thursday, October 23rd 2008, 3:12pm

@ Yu - Putting aside your proverbial sense of humour :D in what regards your skills, I remember that John has already illustrated the shelf method some time ago. It is both simple and effective: it involves replacing a gluing tab on a part by a bit of card (or something appropriate) previously glued onto the receiving part, forming a shelf above which the tab-less part will lie down. It is very useful in many architecture subjects. Just imagine gluing the floor of an inside yard to the surrounding walls. With tabs all around that part, it would be a nightmare. Putting shelves all around the walls, at the correct level, allows you to remove the tabs, adjust the floor (trimming is sometimes useful, if not necessary…) and simply drop it over the shelves. Much easier and less risky!

@ John - You raise a very interesting question, regarding those cuts and the little scissor icon :) It might be a little confusing to the novice, as you say, but I like the method. Having a cut means that you have to fold a single thickness paper, instead of double. A cleaner fold is much easier to achieve. For the inside corners, a simple cut on the back paper will do the trick. For the outside corners, I made two closely spaced cuts (around half a mm) and removed the narrow strip of paper. That avoids overstretching the outward (painted) face when folding.
So far, I’m pleased with just about everything on this model, including the number of parts ;)

Getting back to the construction, the top of the first level is a large set of four parts reinforced with 1mm card. It is surrounded by many slim parts with hundreds of fold lines. Fortunately, those lines are marked in the parts, which was not the case in a similar assembly on Schreiber’s Hamburger Michel. They usually fit well but, sometimes, trimming is necessary.
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Friday, October 24th 2008, 12:39am

Hi Ricardo,

Ah... now I see. I was not aware the the strips were folded over and doubled. Now it makes sense. Yes, I agree. cutting one half would relieve the tension in the fold.

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Friday, October 24th 2008, 2:39pm

That's it, John - the wall with 3 double thickness strips in front: a real bunker!!!
Time to move into the next level. As you see, some card formers are useful to put things in place, waiting for this level's top parts...
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Friday, October 24th 2008, 5:34pm

Hi Ricardo,

Thanks a lot for going to the trouble to give me detailed explanation.
You are the ni….. you are a neat modeler

With shelf method in hand I feel like I could be a building modeler of medium grade ;)

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Monday, October 27th 2008, 2:49pm

You are welcome, Yu ;)
There is not a lot to say about the walls for the upper level. As for the lower one, some card bits are useful to shape the curved sections.
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Tuesday, October 28th 2008, 2:43pm

The parts 56 and 57 are the last ones of the second level...
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Wednesday, October 29th 2008, 2:46pm

Thanks, Hagen, but I bet your bitts and ventilators are a lot smaller and harder to build than these columns :)
The top of the second floor is made of 4 big paper parts, reinforced with 1mm card. The railings are double faced, with one face 1mm taller in order to glue on the card.
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Wednesday, October 29th 2008, 3:55pm

Hi ricardo,

i say only your make a graet work, alltimes for me Eyes a happines :super:

sorry me bad English ?(

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Wednesday, October 29th 2008, 6:15pm

Ernst said it well, this is a great happiness to our eyes.
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Thursday, October 30th 2008, 4:02pm

@ Ernst – Thanks for the comment and I can assure you of something: your English is muuuuch better than my German :rotwerd:
@ Royaloakmin – well, hopefully you’ll like today’s pictures :) They depict the various levels between the upper main roof part and moveable dome. There is a lot of card cutting here…
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Thursday, October 30th 2008, 5:27pm

Hi Ricardo,

This is magical - you obviously do not use any glue, but the parts stick together all the same ... :D

But seriously, your neat style of working amazes me again and again - great job!

Cheers .... Wolfgang

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Friday, October 31st 2008, 5:55pm

Wolfgang is right. I never see any glue spots; and that is my biggest bugaboo. Ricardo what do you use to apply glue and what types of glue do you use?
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Friday, October 31st 2008, 6:21pm

The trick is to use as few glue as possible, Wolfgang. It comes out both cleaner and cheaper :D
Using no glue at all is, perhaps, pushing the theory a bit too far ;)
I use several types of glue, Royaloakmin. UHU, for all of them. Mostly all-purpose (cellulosic) and white, sometimes cianoacrilate and sometimes all-purpose-power or stick, to reinforce large parts on card. I have no particular tool to apply the glue but I’m always careful to keep the tubes clean.

There are a lot of small constructions over the terrace. Not too many of each type and varied in shape, they make up some interesting work.
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Saturday, November 1st 2008, 3:34am

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The trick is to use as few glue as possible, Wolfgang. It comes out both cleaner and cheaper :D


It's a great news for me because upon returning home I got information on my wife's sneaking scheme to buy new house. If it happens I must cut back on spending to keep on going my modicum of pleasure:(

BTW, I love your build whatever you make

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Saturday, November 1st 2008, 1:01pm

Ricardo,

these pictures wet my appetite to do the model as well in the near future. Since I now know that I don't have to fear hundreds of small parts such as roof windows on El Escorial, it seems possible to make the Petersdom in the same manner. Brilliant work so far!

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Monday, November 3rd 2008, 2:58pm

@ Yu - I don't know if you can make a real profit out of this method. You build a lot of models (that's a point in favour :) ) but I'm unable to spot excess glue on any of them (that's a point against :D )

@ Jens - nice to here from you :) I know what you mean, regarding the dormer windows on the Escorial. If I'm not mistaken, the model has a full page crammed with those tiny parts and there are a lot more in other pages as well. In Rome, there are two sets of 'terrible' parts - the columns (I started there) and the statues. They will come latter...
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Monday, November 3rd 2008, 11:25pm

Hi Ricardo,

The last two side by side photographs posted are outstanding. They show the individual parts and then the completed assembly. You are famous for doing this Ricardo. They really do make the viewer itch to get their hands on the parts and assemble them themselves.

It's all in the presentation Ricardo. You have it down to a science.

Well done!! You enhance the craft so much.

Cheers...John

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