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Friday, March 7th 2008, 2:01pm

I have decided to begin the castle ground surrounds on the other side. Much is afoot there. Many decisions had to be made as to how to proceed. It would have been helpful if the designer has indicated whether folds in the ground skins were to be folded towards you or away from you. A lot depended on these long folds.

The order in which to glue everything up also took time to figure out. I decided to start by gluing a long ramp to the ground skin that would affix itself to the castle wall. Inserting a tower gate at the left end of the ramp helped pull the parts into shape.
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Friday, March 7th 2008, 2:37pm

The Ramp Assembly

The right end of the ramp will slide into and under a gatehouse tower. The left end will veer down to the the main entrance tower yet to be added.

The polished pointed end of the tool in this photo was used to score the long convex ground folds. Rather than cut into the top third of paper and expose the white beneath the printed surface, I creased the paper with a groove. Because the folds were gentle and not beyond 30 degrees, it worked. The paper bent without breaking the surface. I was not confident that I could paint these long bends if they were opened with an incision.
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Friday, March 7th 2008, 3:30pm

Nearing the moment of truth...
Time to find out if this assembly is going to fit. The odds of getting eleven angles to mate perfectly are slim.
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Saturday, March 8th 2008, 3:41am

Hi John,

To put groove to crease paper is for preventing paper from being soiled by fat on finger?

BTW, architecture kits I ordered arrived while I was away from home. I am looking forward to building them referring to your construction report.

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Saturday, March 8th 2008, 3:23pm

Hello Yu,
What models did you receive? I recall mentioning Meersburg and the little Castle Lichtenstein. Ricardo mentioned a couple as well. I did not write construction reports on either of the two I mentioned.

Yu, many have praised your skills of precision with aircraft and navel vessel builds. I look forward to seeing your architectural work! Sorry Yu, but I don't quite understand your last post. I was talking about creasing rather than cutting to allow the paper to stretch through gentle bends.

Continuing on with Karlstein, the ground assembly on this side of the caste went in quite well. However, the parts were very large. I think it might have been better to design smaller pieces. I see a very large part (part 50) that will be expected to close the ramp, cover the back of the castle, then turn a corner and cover a quarter of the ground space on other side. That's a lot to ask of one piece.

You will note my finger on the gatehouse roof. This assembly is under tension. It is springing up.
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Saturday, March 8th 2008, 3:34pm

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What models did you receive?

Sorry Yu, but I don't quite understand your last post. I was talking about creasing rather than cutting to allow the paper to stretch through gentle bends.



I apologize. I made misunderstanding. I took 'groove' for 'glove'. Sorry to bother you :rotwerd:

The kits arrived are Lichtenstein, Frauenkirche Dresden and Berliner Dom Berlin Cathedral.
Even there are no construction report of these, report for architecture would be of great help to me, I guess.

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Saturday, March 8th 2008, 3:44pm

Don't apologize Yu. You are conversant in two languages.
Wonderful choices! You will love both Berlin Cathedral (look closely at the tympanum over the main door) and Frauenkirche Dresden. The are classic J.F. Schreiber gems.

I mentioned the ground assembly springing up. You can see it clearly here.
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Sunday, March 9th 2008, 5:50pm

Thanks Hagen.
Yes, the angle is steep. It is a compound angle. . Here is a shot showing a pattern in place to determine it. You can see just how much the hill will have to be drawn down by comparing the template's edge with the base of the wall.
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Monday, March 10th 2008, 10:57pm

The Promontory

The cliff, mountain, promontory, hill, summit or whatever you want to call it on this model is huge.
The first side...
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Monday, March 10th 2008, 10:58pm

RE: The Promontory

the back...
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Monday, March 10th 2008, 10:59pm

RE: The Promontory

the other side...
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Monday, March 10th 2008, 11:01pm

RE: The Promontory

which brings us right back to the side where I intended to start weeks ago.
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Monday, March 10th 2008, 11:05pm

Looking Back

I recall the first wall travelling up to 'nowhere' quite a while ago. Quite a change.
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Monday, March 10th 2008, 11:09pm

The Gatehouse

I apologize for misleading everyone on the location of the first gatehouse. I mistook the well tower as the entrance when I started building the model. We have now arrived at the entrance ramp and gatehouse tower.
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Monday, March 10th 2008, 11:15pm

RE: The Gatehouse Tower

A long ramp runs up from this gatehouse tower to a second tower higher up the mount.
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Monday, March 10th 2008, 11:16pm

RE: The Gatehouse Tower

And here is a shot looking back at the entrance gatehouse tower.
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Monday, March 10th 2008, 11:19pm

The Mount

So there you have it. The model to date.
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Tuesday, March 11th 2008, 4:53am

RE: The Mount

Hi John,

Your model reminds me of countryside that I saw from ruined castle in Spisska, Slovakia years ago.
Without visiting Europe I have a feeling of face of the countryside through well built your model.

Great work

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Tuesday, March 11th 2008, 4:48pm

RE: The Mount

Thanks Yu.

Anyone attempting to build this model will have to be prepared to cut, trim, patch, change angles, and add new pieces to the ground surrounding this model. I suggest the modeller pick a nice big piece of ground cover and scan it. It can then be cut up into little pieces and added where needed. Some parts are just not going to fit as printed. The remaining gap in one of the photos is the result of what happens when you begin to alter things. Somewhere down the road you are going to make a final correction. The little patch is new material.

The ground cover was an interesting challenge. I think smaller triangular built up segments would have made the job easier and fooled the eye where joints occur. The rocks of Rheinstein are given as examples of this.

Attention turns now to building the remainder of the castle and joining the two parts together.
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Tuesday, March 11th 2008, 6:06pm

It must be a great relief to finish the hill with such good results. Congratulations.
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Wednesday, March 12th 2008, 4:13pm

Hi Fred,
Had enough snow this winter?
Yes, it is nice to get back to work on the castle itself.
The lower region of this castle was intended by the designer, to be glued in front of the two portals of the main bastion. As you know, I have chosen to build the model in two pieces. This reduces its overall size for storage. Here is the footprint of the section to be placed in front of those openings.
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Thursday, March 13th 2008, 1:56pm

The lower region of the castle in place...
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Thursday, March 13th 2008, 1:58pm

The main courtyard...
and down to the well tower.
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Thursday, March 13th 2008, 2:36pm

Getting Around

I am intrigued by the routes into and around this marvellous castle. Now that the lower section is in place, we can begin to illustrate the pathways. Here are three photos showing the way into Karlstein Castle. Later, when the towers are in place, we can have a look at the way up to the various courtyards. I see that there will also be ways to pass from stairs into towers and from one tower to the other by way of bridges.
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Thursday, March 13th 2008, 2:37pm

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2. The Way Up
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Thursday, March 13th 2008, 2:38pm

RE: Getting Around

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Thursday, March 13th 2008, 7:18pm

Measuring Up

A significant amount of room has been saved by splitting the model into two pieces. The storage box will be much smaller. However, it can not be used as a display base for this model. The model will have to be removed and set on a table.

The top surface of the base will measure 35 x 64 cm.
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Friday, March 14th 2008, 2:58pm

RE: Measuring Up

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The top surface of the base will measure 35 x 64 cm.

Not as big as Schreiber's Eltz but quite a lot, considering the much smaller scale here 8o
It is getting really nice, John. The terrain steepness is impressive and ads a lot to the castle's beauty :)

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Saturday, March 15th 2008, 2:52pm

Thank you gentlemen. This castle is quite interesting indeed. All sorts of unique details will begin to appear now as we build the two towers.

Cheers...John

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Sunday, March 16th 2008, 2:07pm

Transportation Box

Hi, John!

May I suggest a solution for the transportation box of Karlstein?

You could build it in two parts of equal height, connecting them with hinges and after taking the separate parts of the model out of their box, flap the box open, turning it, and put the castle on top of it.

NB: The upper part of the Box has to contain the smaller part of your castle - perhaps on a separate frame, so that it does not collide with the bigger part of the castle.

All's well that glues well!
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Sunday, March 16th 2008, 5:06pm

RE: Transportation Box

Aha! A creative mind at work!
Hi papercaptain. Ingenious idea. Thank you for your suggestion. It would work - and impress.
If I were to be showing this model often, your method of display would be the way to go. Good stuff!

Marian tower sits up on the middle ward of the castle. The timber top reminds me of Marksburg's roof on the Rhine. They both have similar corner treatments.
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Monday, March 17th 2008, 12:10am

Getting Around

Here is the fourth picture in the 'Getting Around' series.
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Monday, March 17th 2008, 12:32am

Marian Tower

Three routes of access are seen now into Marian Tower. On the right you will see a little bridge. It is coming from the Imperial Palace. It reminds me of pictures I have seen of The Bridge of Sighs in Venice - without all the roof ornamentation. On the ground to the left near the foreground is a staircase into the second floor of the tower. The most interesting feature in this photo is the covered timber bridge spanning the tower to the breast wall. If you think it opens onto the upper courtyard, have a look at the photo on the right. It does not.

I think I have this one figured out. In the Middle Ages, keeps did not have any means of access on their first floors. Usually, a high stone staircase led to a small door across an open pit on the second floor. Here at Karlstein there seems to be no access to the tower at all from the ground. I'll explain what's up when I get the big tower built and in place. It's hard to describe it when it's not there yet. There is a clue in the footprint. See part #79?
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Monday, March 17th 2008, 9:22am

Hi John,

I can only repeat myself, both your build and report are extremely well done!

=D>

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Tuesday, March 18th 2008, 2:52am

Tower Power

Hi, John!

I've seen your progress in work and can but applaude! =D> =D> =D>

However, after a look in my favourite book about castles and their construction (Otto Piper: Burgenkunde. Bauwesen und Geschichte der Burgen; neue, verbesserte u. erweiterte Auflage. - Augsburg : Weltbild Verlag 1993. Ndr. d. 3. erw. Aufl. München : Piper 1912), I am obliged to warn you:
Don't think, this is the Karlstein of the Emperor's times. It is not.
On page 631 Piper writes:
>As with Karlstein, that was in ruins after a fire in 1487, a "furor restauratorius" has been busy rather early: Around 1597 a castle's warden (Burghauptmann) had demolished and new built after his heart's desire, lowering roofs and widening windows, either "repainting" precious wallpaintings or whitewashing them. And during the latest thorough restauration under the late ecclesiastical architect (Dombaumeister) Fr. v. Schmidt (+1891) there were also unnecessary alterations, e.g. the woodwork of the keeps and the upper storeys of the buildings in half timber work.<
So it's rather a romanticist neo-gothic reconstruction - although not as whimsical as Stolzenfels or other Rhine castles of the period.

Nevertheless, I'm looking forward to your building this model castle.
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Tuesday, March 18th 2008, 9:05am

Very nice model. I am waiting to see more progresses on the build.

Thank you.

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Tuesday, March 18th 2008, 4:01pm

Thanks Iriera.
Wolfgang, thank you for your acknowledgment.

Hi papercaptain,

Thank you for the book reference and the comments about the historical accuracy of Karlstein's past. Romantic reconstructions seem to be a common theme with castles. I don't have a deep knowledge of architectural history, but I pick up a few facts in researching the castles I build. Pierrefonds is a classic example of an existing castle ruin restored to romantic grandure. In 1861, Napoleon III decided to make it his imperial residence. He commissioned the French architect, Viollet-le-Luc to restore the castle and gave him free reign to design it as a classic, romantic 15th century castle.

The king of Prussia visited Peirrefonds. It is said that this visit may have influenced the restoration of Haut-Koenigsbourg Castle in Alsace forty years later. Louis II of Bavaria also took inspiration from his visit to start the construction of Neushwanstein Castle in 1869.

I've said this before, learning a little about these models is all part of the fun of building them.

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Tuesday, March 18th 2008, 9:54pm

The Big Tower

The larger keep is named 'The Big Tower'. It was obviously whitewashed to impress the neighbours. Notice the garderobe hanging on the outer wall. The 'good old days'... not really!
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Tuesday, March 18th 2008, 11:07pm

RE: The Big Tower

A distinctive feature of Karlstein Castle is the design of tower roofs. On the model they are cleverly designed to fold up from one piece of paper.
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Tuesday, March 18th 2008, 11:18pm

The Chimneys

However, the plan to cut holes in the roof to admit chimneys just does not work for me. You can see in the first picture the chimney on the right ( part 98) has a blank section below the roof lines. It is the section of the part that is intended to be driven down into the roof. I tried it once, and was not thrilled with the result. I prefer to test the rake of the roof and cut the chimney to suit. I showed earlier in the thread how I do this.

Another method I use to get the chimneys or any other quadrangle for that matter glued up with opposite sides equal and parallel is to apply glue to the tab and squash the part down on the cutting mat flat. When it is opened, you have forced opposite sides equal. I think this is standard practice. No?

Edit: How did I get that smilie for an 8?
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