This website uses cookies. By continuing to use our site you declare your agreement. More Information

Dear visitor, welcome to Kartonbau.de - Alles rund um Papiermodelle, Kartonmodellbau und Bastelbogen. If this is your first visit here, please read the Help. It explains in detail how this page works. To use all features of this page, you should consider registering. Please use the registration form, to register here or read more information about the registration process. If you are already registered, please login here.

Jens

Professional

  • "Jens" is male

Posts: 487

Date of registration: Jun 15th 2004

Occupation: Kartograph

  • Send private message

41

Saturday, September 23rd 2006, 11:01am

It's a pity that all the details built in the tiny courtyard can't be seen properly after all walls are closed. It's such a narrow space that one can't even see the lower balcony from above.

Best regards from

John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

42

Saturday, September 23rd 2006, 11:22pm

Oliver,
The model would have significant meaning for you! I live ten minutes from the largest hydraulic lift lock in the world. And yet, it is commonplace to me. Although you were not aware of the castle being so close to you in Germany, I'd bet that it too would become commonplace. Human nature I guess. But what a missed opportunity!

Jens,
Here's a second comparison of Haut-Koenigsbourg to another model. Your comment about a tight, closed courtyard made me think of the inner spaces of one of courtyards of Burg Eltz. Now that courtyard is easier to see at 1:250. Here is a shot of its enclosed area.
John has attached the following image:
  • eltzcourtyardwi4.jpg

Jens

Professional

  • "Jens" is male

Posts: 487

Date of registration: Jun 15th 2004

Occupation: Kartograph

  • Send private message

43

Sunday, September 24th 2006, 7:17pm

Quoted

Now that courtyard is easier to see at 1:250.

Well, John, of course the courtyard of Castle Eltz is better to see, because it's in scale 1:160 and also not that narrow in space. It is surrounded with three hight buildings and one not so tall building on the fourth side. With Haut-Koenigsbourg you have all buildings that high and that narrow, that there isn't enough space to get a close view to all the details. In my opinion the balcony there could have been also printed, it woulnd't have made any difference.
But you will get your high detailed and visible courtyards later.

Best regards from

John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

44

Sunday, September 24th 2006, 8:39pm

Oops! Senior moment there. You are right. 1:160. Even a larger aspect. That was my point.
John

Ricleite

Professional

  • "Ricleite" is male

Posts: 1,044

Date of registration: Jan 24th 2006

  • Send private message

45

Monday, September 25th 2006, 10:07am

John, you are definitely putting another model on my wish list :D
Great build and beautiful pictures. I really enjoy the hand painted details and textures. Very different from computer graphics. Your latest picture of this model is worth a thousand words :)

Oliver Weiß

Professional

  • "Oliver Weiß" is male

Posts: 1,272

Date of registration: Apr 8th 2005

Occupation: Software Engineer

  • Send private message

46

Monday, September 25th 2006, 4:20pm

What wishlist? I just ordered it :D
  • FERTIG & JETZT ZU HABEN: Schaufelradschlepper "Anglia", 1866
  • In Vorbereitung: Ein echter "Publikumsliebling"
  • Meine Modelle sind unter http://www.waldenmodels.com/ zu bekommen!

Kartonkapitän

Professional

  • "Kartonkapitän" is male

Posts: 752

Date of registration: May 11th 2006

Occupation: Freiherr

  • Send private message

47

Monday, September 25th 2006, 10:55pm

Olivers Riesenburg

Ha, Oliver, dann aber auf 1:250 skalieren, damit's auch paßt! :D
Und statt des Unterwasserumpfs den Unterburgenberg dazu bauen ;).
(NB: Ich hab' ohnehin nicht so recht nachvollziehen können, warum L'Instant Durable diese Burg in 1:400, die Stadtburg von Carcassonne aber in 1:250 herausgebracht hat ?()

Now, Oliver, you should scale this one up to 1/250 ;), making it comparable with your own models. And please do add all of the hill to the castle :P.

I couldn't see the reason why L'Instant Durable has made this model in 1/400 scale whereas Carcassonne is in 1/250.

Best regards,

Papercaptain
Ich schnipsel mit Schere, ich klebe und falz';
das is zwar nur Schimäre, doch mich unterhalt's! :P(frei nach Johann Nestroy)

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Kartonkapitän" (Sep 25th 2006, 10:56pm)


John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

48

Tuesday, September 26th 2006, 3:24pm

It's really nice to see this interest here! Great! We are definitely hooked on card modelling.

I wanted to get a shot looking down into the little closed courtyard of Haut-Koenigsbourg, but knew that lighting would be a problem. I have flood lights, but they throw light from tripods at angles. I needed a light right over top of the model. Then it hit me. The florescent desk lamp on my desk shines directly down. The light is a circular tube. Once I changed the light on the camera from incandescent to florescent, and tipped the model forward a bit, I was in business. Here is the result...


Oliver Weiß

Professional

  • "Oliver Weiß" is male

Posts: 1,272

Date of registration: Apr 8th 2005

Occupation: Software Engineer

  • Send private message

49

Tuesday, September 26th 2006, 4:00pm

Floodlights? Tripods? This goes some way to explaining your excellent photography...Are you perchance a photographer by day, John?

Cheers,


Oliver
  • FERTIG & JETZT ZU HABEN: Schaufelradschlepper "Anglia", 1866
  • In Vorbereitung: Ein echter "Publikumsliebling"
  • Meine Modelle sind unter http://www.waldenmodels.com/ zu bekommen!

John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

50

Tuesday, September 26th 2006, 6:15pm

Hi Oliver. Thanks. No, I'm a retired teacher.Tabletop photography came about as a result of card modelling. You're not bad behind the lens of a camera yourself!

Cheers...John

Ernst

Sage

  • "Ernst" has been banned

Posts: 3,874

Date of registration: Feb 17th 2004

  • Send private message

51

Tuesday, September 26th 2006, 6:29pm

Hello John,

you make a beautyful Work :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

Kindly Regards
Ernst
Bin jetzt ein GELIaner

indycol

Intermediate

  • "indycol" is male

Posts: 290

Date of registration: Aug 4th 2005

Occupation: Dipl.Ing.

  • Send private message

52

Tuesday, September 26th 2006, 7:28pm

Hello John,

your inside look is really great and I can see a lot of details you`ve described before!
I`m mouthwatering to build a castle :]


Have a great day

Edi

John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

53

Wednesday, September 27th 2006, 2:32pm

Grand Bastion, Haut Jardin, Haut Chateau

Thank you for the kind comments Gentlemen.

Here is a view of the north side of the castle's sections A, B and C.
John has attached the following image:
  • abcpo6.jpg

John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

54

Wednesday, September 27th 2006, 2:35pm

RE: Grand Bastion, Haut Jardin, Haut Chateau

And this closer shot is of the south side. The supports down to the base of this model reinforce the walls and make everything stable.
John has attached the following image:
  • abc2cd7.jpg

John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

55

Wednesday, September 27th 2006, 3:00pm

Petit Bastion

Here is the next part to be attached - the Petit Bastion. When attached, it will be surrounded by fortified walls and an interesting windmill.
John has attached the following image:
  • dwy6.jpg

John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

56

Saturday, September 30th 2006, 5:14pm

Half Way Round

Here is the Petit Bastion attached to the keep tower. You can clearly see here, the gatehouse on the south side.
John has attached the following image:
  • south1pc7.jpg

John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

57

Saturday, September 30th 2006, 5:22pm

RE: Half Way Round

Behind the Gatehouse is Alsacian House. It went into place kicking and screaming. I attached it fully prebuilt. In the process of wrestling it into place, the inner wall of the house bowed out.
John has attached the following image:
  • south2io5.jpg

Micro

Moderator spezielle Interessen

  • "Micro" is male

Posts: 5,442

Date of registration: Dec 9th 2005

Occupation: Techniker

  • Send private message

58

Saturday, September 30th 2006, 11:36pm

Hi John,

Not easy to build. This small towers in the court can cost a lot of nerves!!!

You made it, no surprice at all. :meister: :meister: :meister:

cheers, Herbert

John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

59

Sunday, October 1st 2006, 4:04pm

Thank you Herbert and Martin.

Martin, if you visit the castle...and if they have a gift shop... and if they have postcards...I could give you my address! A visit to Alsace next summer sounds wonderful.

I like the way the horizontal skirting pieces (ground) have an index mark on them. You can see the little black triangles in this shot...
John has attached the following image:
  • Registering Tabs.jpg

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "John" (Oct 1st 2006, 8:53pm)


John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

60

Sunday, October 1st 2006, 4:07pm

This little piece is the last one that skirts the east end of the bastion...
John has attached the following image:
  • Closing Tab.jpg

John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

61

Sunday, October 1st 2006, 4:10pm

This closing piece is almost dead on. It will have to be drawn a little tight to join nicely with its mating pieces at each end, but considering that the skirting undulated in and out around three sides of the bastion, the fit isn't bad.
John has attached the following image:
  • Dry Fit.jpg

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "John" (Oct 1st 2006, 4:11pm)


John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

62

Sunday, October 1st 2006, 5:14pm

Horizontal Tabs

This picture shows a tab at the west end of this horizontal section. The tab has been altered. You will note that it has been cut off and reset under the skirting. This will make a flat, smooth join - almost seamless if done well.
John has attached the following image:
  • Tab Under.jpg

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "John" (Oct 1st 2006, 6:01pm)


John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

63

Sunday, October 1st 2006, 5:20pm

Horizontal Tab Design

If I were designing card models, I would consider altering the tab design. It wouldn't be difficult to add a little white strip in the drawing design between the part and the tab. You would cut off the tab with its white joining strip, slide the white strip under the part and glue in place under the part. Now you would have a stepped tab ready to receive the joining part. Presto, a smooth, almost seamless join would be achieved.

Food for thought...
John has attached the following image:
  • Tab Design.jpg

John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

64

Sunday, October 1st 2006, 8:42pm

On the Rocks

Now we jump to the rocks. The rocks of Rheinstein Castle are child's play compared to the rocks on this model. Here are the first two pieces that will be glued together. There are thirty-eight folds involved here.

Edit: 60 folds with the tabs
John has attached the following image:
  • ontherocksig1.jpg

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "John" (Oct 1st 2006, 9:37pm)


xALx

Intermediate

Posts: 345

Date of registration: Nov 13th 2004

  • Send private message

65

Monday, October 2nd 2006, 8:41pm

You're right with the Tabs. Would be a good step forward. I make somtimes my own, it's a kind of "do it yourself" version but works fine.
Good luck with the rocks!
Gruß von
Alex
wrk: s/s HANSA / Bildrum / 1:250 * Expeditionsschiff Grönland, DSM
cmpl: Frachtdampfer Kanal / DSM / 1:250 * Villa Braun /Schreiber /1:87

John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

66

Tuesday, October 3rd 2006, 12:13am

On The Rocks - Round One

Well, I got the two strips of rock in, but it was a learning curve. I just couldn't get the tabs to snuggle up against the wall. I decided to glue the first tab and then the last tab in place first. This left the centre portion of the strip sprung away from the wall. With each successive tab being glued in place from each end, the strip began to relax and fall into place.
John has attached the following images:
  • Rocks1.jpg
  • Rocks2.jpg
  • Rocks3.jpg

Jens

Professional

  • "Jens" is male

Posts: 487

Date of registration: Jun 15th 2004

Occupation: Kartograph

  • Send private message

67

Tuesday, October 3rd 2006, 9:48am

So, John, didn't you have to make any cuts, then? My rock pieces had some tension here and there, where one tab wouldn't fit to its neighbouring piece, and I had to make some minor cuts to get them into shape.
I wonder also how you managed to get the rock piece into place in that small gap between the castle and the entrance building. Like some sort of a tunnel, this was too difficult for me, so I decided to cut the rock piece into a third, to make it fit in there, and the other piece was assembled like you did. You have made a cut on the right, too, did you also made a two-step assembly.
BTW, so far everything looks very fine.

Best regards from

John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

68

Tuesday, October 3rd 2006, 1:14pm

Tight Fit

Hi Jens.
Good observations and great questions. This is what is making this build fun for me. We are miles apart geographically and yet the interest is just a key stroke away.

First, you are dead on about that almost impossible gap to fill under the little 'D'tower. During constructon, I noticed the gap was going to be left between the gatehouse and the wall under this little tower. What part filled that gap? I searched through the parts and found it. Parts of E1 and E2 (the first two rock segments) had attached to them, this gap filling part tacked onto their right end. I knew that if I glued the house in place first, I'd never get them in place behind the house. Getting the segments of the rocks in place was going to be hard enough without having to worry about trying to get a specialized portion of a wall behind the house and under this tower. The right end of them also had to slip under the angled wall part running from this tower back to the main wall. So I cut them off and glued them in place before attaching the house. That's what you see missing from the shot of the rock segments above.

I did not have to cut the rocks anywhere. You are right about the tension. I glued E1 and E2 together first, but I could not dry fit the built up rock strip to the wall at all. It sprung out all over the place. I trusted the designer had worked his folds out so that eventually everything had to fit between the little tower mentioned above and the bastion tower, so I glued the ends in place first. A leap of faith here but it worked. I guess the high number of front and back folds in the strips allowed the segments to release their tension and torsion as each tab was subsequently glued into position. By the way, only one tab could be glued at a time. It had to be allowed time to dry completely, before the next segment was pressed into position and glued.

As you know, this is not over - just round one. Now E3 and E4...

Cheers...John

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "John" (Oct 3rd 2006, 1:17pm)


John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

69

Tuesday, October 3rd 2006, 4:29pm

Round Two

One tab at a time...
You will note in this photo that I got a little carried away with the edge colouring. I have muddied up the top edge of the rocks a bit here... But I have the vivid setting active on the camera. It's not really that bad in real life.

Edit: You won't believe this!!! My first large image just uploaded - this one. The new server must have had something to do with it. Hope this is not just a fluke.

Cheers...John
John has attached the following image:
  • Round Two.jpg

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "John" (Oct 3rd 2006, 4:36pm)


John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

70

Saturday, October 7th 2006, 10:23pm

Success

The remainder of the rocks went into place quite well. Only one cut was required on the north side to allow the parts to relax and overlap down into place.

This shot shows the ground in place surrounding the walls of the castle. It boggles my mind how the designers, Pierre Guerin and Jean-Marie Lemaire planned the layout of the many folds. Quite fascinating.

In this photo you can see the white outline of the curtain walls (ramparts) that will surround the castle and create an inner bailey or ward. Later, an outer bailey will be added down at the east end of the fortress.
John has attached the following image:
  • From the Top.jpg

Jan Hascher

Moderator - DerTranslator

  • "Jan Hascher" is male

Posts: 6,046

Date of registration: Sep 23rd 2004

Occupation: Filtrierer

  • Send private message

71

Saturday, October 7th 2006, 10:27pm

Hi John,
finally! Amazing pictures in proper resolution. What happened? Is it the new server?

Cheers
Jan
Jeder, der einen Post mit "Ich habe zwar keine Ahnung, aber..." beginnt, möge bitte den Absenden-Button ignorieren.

John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

72

Saturday, October 7th 2006, 11:41pm

Perhaps

Hi Jan.
I hope your optimism doesn't jinks me. Yes, It's really a treat to simply go to the attachments and perform an upload. I haven't done that in a long time. I think it must be the new server. I still hold my breath every time I post an image. If you see Image Shack photos appear again, you will know our hopes have been premature.

Thank you Jan for monitoring my work and handling photos that otherwise would be eventually gone.

Cheers...John

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "John" (Nov 1st 2006, 11:44am)


John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

73

Saturday, October 7th 2006, 11:45pm

So Far...

Here's another view of the fortress. Sorry about the shadows...high angle shot.
John has attached the following image:
  • Fortress.jpg

John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

74

Saturday, October 7th 2006, 11:51pm

West End

This is the west end of the model. With the exception of little roof details, it is complete.
John has attached the following image:
  • West End.jpg

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "John" (Oct 8th 2006, 12:31am)


John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

75

Saturday, October 7th 2006, 11:55pm

Folds

I mentioned the intriguing folds in the ground areas of this model. Here is an example. You see represented here, a rock cut forming a little niche area bounded on the left by a retaining wall. Nice designing.
John has attached the following image:
  • Detail.jpg

Jens

Professional

  • "Jens" is male

Posts: 487

Date of registration: Jun 15th 2004

Occupation: Kartograph

  • Send private message

76

Sunday, October 8th 2006, 10:13am

Hello John,

and right in this corner the tension of the ground plates will start to twist the other parts, when it comes to glue under the outer ground walls. You can see the waveform twist of the first ground part clearly. I hope that it won't distort any of the fine work you have done so far. Reinforcing the walls from the back is a must, then.
What happened with the three colliding pavement parts in front of the entrance building? I can see a major black line running through them, didn't you made one of a self-made underlying tab here to join them smoothly, or is it some sort of a shadow?

Best regards from

John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

77

Sunday, October 8th 2006, 3:57pm

Hi Jens,
You are right. Twisting will be the major consideration in designing the side plates. As you know, I always construct a wooden base for all of my models. This model is a prime candidate for a secure, stable base. The plan will be to build and paint the base, make its storage cover, install the plates and mount the model.

There is a' J' channel at the bottom of the side plates. Perfect spot to slip in a solid wall of reinforcing MDF. The west end of the model is reinforced with 1mm card, but I will use MDF for the side reinforcement.

Yes, a bit of sloppy work near the gatehouse Jens. I think I know why a double tab system is used to join the skirting parts together. Folds keep parts straight. In most areas, the joins will not be seen at the base of the curtain walls. I think they wanted to avoid a rippling foundation for the walls. Flat underplates have no vertical rigidity. But I didn't take care where the double tabs break out across that cobblestone area. The joint is actually blue, not black - the result of spreading. You are seeing an opened seam, not an overlap.

Surgery will be required here. I should be able to make clean incisions to remove the tabs, close the gap and glue from below with a plate. If I were a surgeon, I would tell the patient the stitches won't show at all.

Cheers...John

Jens

Professional

  • "Jens" is male

Posts: 487

Date of registration: Jun 15th 2004

Occupation: Kartograph

  • Send private message

78

Sunday, October 8th 2006, 7:59pm

John,

aren't we all some kind of surgeons, while working on the details of our models?

Singing to Madonna: "Like a surgeon, cutting for the very first time..."

Best regards from

John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

79

Monday, October 9th 2006, 6:49pm

Base

Here is the unfinished wooden base for the model. It will be primed and painted with two coats of latex paint. The rabbet in the molded edge will allow a storage lid to slide down over the base.
John has attached the following image:
  • Base.jpg

John

Master

  • "John" is male
  • "John" started this thread

Posts: 2,681

Date of registration: Oct 4th 2005

Occupation: retired school teacher

  • Send private message

80

Monday, October 9th 2006, 6:57pm

Side Plates

While the paint on the base dries, I am cutting the reinforcing strips to back the side plates. Here you see one alongside the model wrapped with three paper parts butt jointed. The joining tabs were cut off. Spray adhesive made the covering parts smooth and wrinkle free.

Note: The offending gap in the cobblestone has not been corrected...yet. This will have to be done before the side plate is glued in place.
John has attached the following image:
  • Side Plate.jpg

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "John" (Oct 9th 2006, 6:59pm)


1 user apart from you is browsing this thread:

1 guests

Social bookmarks