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Friday, February 18th 2011, 4:20pm

Gloster Sea Gladiator (Halinski 1:33)

Well, here it is: the one that will make me forget the Hind disaster (it was becoming so beautiful, and the two canopies fitted so perfectly well... but there was no way to repair what the superglue had done although I got some good advice later on on how to hide stains of superglue, see http://www.kartonwork.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?p=184837)

Anyway, it was time to start this new Halinski baby, already presented on this forum.

Here are the first steps in building the main fuselage frame:
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Friday, February 18th 2011, 7:26pm

I am sure this will become a most interesting build, and a beautiful model eventually. A good start! - Leif
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Friday, February 18th 2011, 7:55pm

Dear JC,

same for me.
Don´t dare to throw this one into the wheeliebin (Is that british?). I expect a report fascinating similar to your Dauntless.
I would suggest, that you hide the superglue somewhere in the neighbourhood.
THe Gladiator is a nice bird and as I saw it on Halinskis pages......well....but so much left here to stick together.

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Thursday, February 24th 2011, 11:04am

RE: Gloster Sea Gladiator (Halinski 1:33)

Thank you, Leif Ohlsson and Gummikuh, for following this new thread.

I added more main frame parts plus a series of five crossbars, two of them supporting the cockpit floor and foot rests:
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Thursday, February 24th 2011, 4:04pm

Off to a fine start, JC.
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Saturday, February 26th 2011, 12:01pm

Hi, Royaloakmin, glad you are back!

...center section of instrument panel, flight stick...:
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Thursday, March 3rd 2011, 7:58pm

Throttle controls, all kinds of levers and switches plus two machine guns (still without barrels} mounted on the outide of the frame (but inside the future fuselage skin) - they all add to the level of detail of the cockpit interior. Next step: pedals.
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Thursday, March 3rd 2011, 10:35pm

Hello JC,

as always with Halinski: A bizarre level of cockpit detail.
It is a joy to follow your clean built.

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P.S. As far as I remember Roald Dahl flew a Gladiator during WW II

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Sunday, March 6th 2011, 4:39pm

Thanks, Zaphod!

I added the pedals and further details. Now ready to assemble the pilot seat.
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Wednesday, March 9th 2011, 2:22pm

A nice seat for Flt. Lt. George Burges, the pilot who flew this airplane over Malta, in 1940.
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Thursday, March 10th 2011, 5:08pm

Safety belt passing through the first bulkhead (possibly not strong enough to resist) and secured with steel cables to the one to the rear of it:
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Thursday, March 10th 2011, 6:20pm

Hi JC, it is a lovingly detailed cockpit! It would be nice to see Halinski do some interwar aircraft....
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Sunday, March 13th 2011, 3:50pm

Yes, I agree, Royaloakmin - thay would be great. Any particular wishes? Why not give the Polish people a little hint?

A well-known recipe for all Halinski adepts: the prepared insides of cockpit walls with remaining left and right instrument panel sections and other details:
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Monday, March 14th 2011, 4:39pm

...but the continuation of the assembly of these inner walls is completely new to me: instead of fixing them to the frame right now, both sides must be put together at the bottom (there have to be two sides because the "belly" is also curved along the longitudinal axis); then this fragile construction is reinforced at the outside by the first outside skin section (second picture; it all looks a bit like a mess, but that is because Halinski decided once more to print the cockpit parts on the inside of the back cover):
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Monday, March 14th 2011, 5:15pm

Dear JC,

sounds weird to me....
But as ever it´s a pleasure to watch your ships growing. The Cockpit-section is phantastic.

Regarding: "Halinski decided....": is it a real Halinski? Great! The last Airplane I built from him, was the old Lightning (I´m not shure about the Hellcat, since there´s no author mentioned).

I´m looking forward to see more

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Monday, March 14th 2011, 5:49pm

Hello JC,

yes, sounds like an unnecessary complication for me.

when building the Zero I hated the back-print of the cover. Some parts had to be colored in a rather light tone on the backside -which was already colored black as part of the cover -very funny.


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Thursday, March 17th 2011, 3:34pm

@ Gummikuh: The authors are Marcin Dworzecki and Marcin Grygiel. That should say enough, I think.
@ Zaphod: It does not make building easier indeed. Maybe it makes it all a bit more affordable.

...and then this complete unit, with all the fittings on the inside, must be fitted like a 'clamshell' around the frame. No real problems for now, as the pictures may show:
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Thursday, March 17th 2011, 5:13pm

Hello JC,

really beautiful, the slots(?) for the machine-guns make it all the more intriguing.

I should really consider buying it, perhaps together with the Helldiver which just appeared.

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Thursday, March 17th 2011, 9:28pm

Yes, these recesses are meant to give free passage to the bullets from the machine guns (barrels to be added later).

Talking about this backside printing of parts: take a look a my last pictures of the model: the polish text 'w przygotowaniu', meaning 'in preparation' or 'to appear soon' is appearing on both sides of the cockpit, the edges of the images perfectly in line with the upper edges of the cockpit... This can not be a coincidence, it must have been done so on purpose, like the corresponding prints on both sides of a banknote. Funny!

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Thursday, March 17th 2011, 10:33pm

a strange sense of humor indeed !

What will be next? Secret messages? This is a way of sending them, James Bond didn´t think of.

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Saturday, March 19th 2011, 1:33am

This is surely a model for the top of anyone's wish list. You are doing a great job so far -- I look forward to following your progress.

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Monday, March 21st 2011, 3:20pm

Welcome to my thread, ccoyle, and thanks for following the progress of the Sea Gladiator!

.... the nose section with the skin in place, but still missing the cowling; it will be added in a later stage.

Painting the edges is a real sport this time, with these subtile camouflage color changes.

Fit of the skin parts is good, and often even perfect, but there is still that little thing that I have experienced often ever since i started building Halinski models: even after some decent sanding and smoothing, the frame parts and the resulting frames always have a tendency to be just a bit on the large side, and the covering parts for that reason are often just a bit on the small side. Therefore it will not surprise that I never saw a skin part yet that was too large. We are ofen talking about differences of much less than 1 mm, so nothing serious about that, but try-fitting is still essential before making the 'final cut'.

But I am very happy with overall aspect of the nose section.
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Tuesday, March 22nd 2011, 11:00am

Yes, panzerchen, I agree with that. In some respects, a cardboard model offers more detail and authenticity than you will ever obtain in a plastic model.
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.... this is what I mean by 'the final cut': before cutting away the white areas on the sides, I always check that everything fits. Once you cut everything away, there is nothing more to correct or ajust.

On this part you can also see the folds that must suggest the frame pattern of the tail section:
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Wednesday, March 23rd 2011, 12:20pm

One more piece of skin (with a row of rivets passing right over the yellow part, so the visible seam is a wanted effect this time =)), plus the rear canopy with, as a part of the glass section, a series of gluing tabs:
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Thursday, March 24th 2011, 5:42pm

New main frame parts with, at the bottom, the housing for the arrester hook; it looks like on this particular aircraft, there was no actual arrester hook installed.
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Thursday, March 24th 2011, 6:57pm

Hello JC,

the missing hook makes sense as this plane operated from Malta. It was possibly removed in an effort to reduce weight and increase speed.

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Saturday, March 26th 2011, 6:20pm

Yes, that seems to make sense: it was land based, so no arrester hook needed. The housing is there, the hinges are there (picture nr. 3), but the hook has not been installed/has been removed.
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...constructing the tail frame:
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Sunday, March 27th 2011, 5:08pm

As stated in the instructions, four holes must be drilled into bulkhread W5a to attach the control cables for the rudder.
But what they do not tell you is that this is also the only occasion to attach the cables themselves. Once the corresponding skin part 14d is in place, the holes are no more accessible from the rear:
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Monday, March 28th 2011, 3:47pm

It is nice that the instructions mention that at all. I think it's the first I've heard of any kit instructions indicating where to attach control cables.
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Tuesday, March 29th 2011, 11:36am

@ ccoyle: Yes, that is the positive side of it!

...the rudder controls finding their way through the openings in the last fuselage segment - a complex one, with openings for cables, for the horizontal stabilizer and for the tail wheel and a shape that changes from rounded to angular towards the rear:
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Thursday, March 31st 2011, 12:19pm

...remaining fuselage section behind cockpit and vertical stabilizer:
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Thursday, March 31st 2011, 2:51pm

Hey, JC,

wonderfuil! I just realized, that the tail is formed related to the internal framework. Nice.
That´s a point I always disliked on the Hurricane: rounded surfaced instead of the framework-lines. I tried to simulate the framework by myself, but unfortunatly with different results.
This here looks really great.
I´m looking forward to see you work on the wings.

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Saturday, April 2nd 2011, 2:22pm

Yes, it is the internal framework that is suggested, and I think it looks fine. These parts must be scored at the backside and then carefully be bended, otherwise the cardboard surface will suffer too much.

...front canopy section with the viewfinder/visor mounted on its own frame at the inside, plus visible on pictures 2, 3 and especially 4, an additional window pane in front of the actual windscreen. Could this be something like a bullet protection shield? I don't now what its function was.
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Saturday, April 2nd 2011, 2:40pm

Hello JC,

it sure is. The same is suggestes for the Helldiver which I received recebtly.

Just one question: How did you manage to glue them on top of each other without smearing them?

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Saturday, April 2nd 2011, 3:35pm

Hi Zaphod. The Helldiver... also a must for me - just for the fun of owing it and studiing all the parts and diagrams...And how smart it will look with my Dauntless next to it..

About your question: these parts are not glued on top of each other. The front pane has its own frame with its own glass in it and a different inclination as compared to the canopy itself. Where they rest on the fuselage, the two frames are about 4 mm apart from each other; towards the top, the two glass panes near each other and only touch at the upper edges.

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Saturday, April 2nd 2011, 4:41pm

Hello JC,

thanks for the explanation !

As far as I have counted, the Helldiver has ca. 1700 Parts, extra-parts made of wire not included. This could even top the Dauntless.


The detail is -as always- mind-boggling, I would think that 500+ parts go inside the cockpit alone.

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Sunday, April 3rd 2011, 2:54pm

...the finished canopy with the sliding middle part in half open position.

Ready now to start the lower wing frame.
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Monday, April 4th 2011, 6:04pm

How many parts does the Gladiator have, JC? The canopies and and armor look great.
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Monday, April 4th 2011, 6:47pm

I would say: about 1600, taking into account an exceptionally large number of template parts [especially compared to the Dauntless] , not only for the fuselage frame, but also for the wing frames. But all this is just a guess. There might be a lot more.

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Tuesday, April 5th 2011, 2:19pm

...lower wing frames and close up of right wing frame:
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