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Sunday, June 10th 2007, 2:41am

RE: Second Quadrant

The second chapel R18 has been added along with some of the outbuildings and buttresses.
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Sunday, June 10th 2007, 5:51am

Dear John,

once again this model is developing very nicely!

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Sunday, June 10th 2007, 6:05pm

Hoi John,

You can hear the organ at "De Bavo" in the link below:


http://www.orgelradio.nl/wcms/modules/ne…php?storyid=156

click at Bach - BWV 663 (Macromedia Flash needed, can be downloaded from the linked site)

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Sunday, June 10th 2007, 10:21pm

Thank you Matthias.
Gert, wonderful site! Listened to '08 Gigout-Grand Choeur dialo' with full orchestra. Magnificant. I remember playing the organ in St. John's Anglican Church with the organ full open. The caretaker came upstairs into the church and gave me 'the look'. I toned it down, but man it felt good! Thank you for this site.

The southwest quadrant of St. Bavo has the main features in place. My sincere thanks to Michel van Meersbergen for taking picutres of the church for me. Here are two of his photos with parts of the model they represent - the shops.
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Sunday, June 10th 2007, 10:23pm

The model...
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Sunday, June 10th 2007, 10:24pm

Photo by Michel...
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Monday, June 11th 2007, 12:03am

The Third Quadrant

Behind the south transept, things really start to get interesting.
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Monday, June 11th 2007, 12:24am

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Gert, wonderful site!


Hoi John,

Every Thursday they renew the oldest part of the program (eight weeks old).

Clich at "home" on the side to see the program in brief form.

At http://www.orgelnieuws.nl/wcms/

you can click at "orgelradio", where you can find more information on each of the eight programs available at that moment. At each program you have to click at "klik hier om de uitzending te beluisteren" (click here to listen to the broadcast) to get to the player,

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Wednesday, June 13th 2007, 12:06am

Good information for the enjoyment of the programs, Gert. Thank you.

Here are two shots that show the beginnings of the the work east of the transepts. The lower walls are made up of the aisle walls of the choir and the ambulatory walls running around the back of the apse.
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Wednesday, June 13th 2007, 9:48am

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There is nothing to link the outer walls to the middle ones, at the roof base level? If so, that would make it very hard to glue the surrounding roof!
The model is so colourful! It makes a stark contrast with the black base. Strangely enough, the black base seems to be a trademark of this stable. You can find it in St. Basilius and St. Laurenskerk as well...

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Friday, June 15th 2007, 3:07am

Ricardo, I can see why you would mention no support between the inner and outer walls. As you know, on most cathedral buiilds there is usually a roof 'deck' at the top of the outer walls spanning to the inner walls. The roofs of the apsidal chapels often sit on this gallery deck. But no, Ricardo, I don't foresee any problems putting on the roof.

On this church, the outer walls require no internal connection to the inner walls. They will be kept secure and plumb by the external buildings abutting them. The roof edges sit on a narrow gallery shelf and lean shed style towards the inner walls. They simply hinge inward. Holes in the top of the model allow support to be given as the top edge of the roof is glued in place.

In the picture on the left you can see the buildings in place outside the external walls. On the right, you see me holding out a roof with my finger. Its lower edge is fixed in place.
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Friday, June 15th 2007, 4:11am

The polygonal ambulatory roof has been cleverly thought out. The designer deliberately left out a section. This open section allows the builder to reach in with long needle nosed pliers and secure the tabs inside one at a time as the roof comes around through the angles.
In the picture below, the roof is closed on the left but still open on the right. I am intrigued by how three roof sections can change angles at the bottom, but remain in the same plane above.
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Friday, June 15th 2007, 9:49am

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The designer deliberately left out a section.

That's the trick, and it looks to be a good one!
You know, 3 points define a plane. If you have a fourth, out of that plane, the paper surface must bend somewhere to reach the four points. If the angle is a small one, the 'bend' becomes e gentle curve, hardly noticeable. It should be the case, on those roofs!
I'd bet that the bend axis is defined here by the upper/rear and lower/front points of each roof section. At least in the rearmost sections...

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Tuesday, June 19th 2007, 9:28pm

The Southwest Quadrant

Hi Ricardo.
You are absolutely right. There is a gentle curve in some of the roof panels as they close around the angled facets of the ambulatory.

Now back to the buildings of the southwest quadrant. Some of the parts are already attached as they were put in place to steady the exterior walls. These are complex, tight fitting buildings with both hip and gable roofs. Tolerances are tight.
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Tuesday, June 19th 2007, 9:31pm

RE: The Southwest Quadrant

Notice the stepped gable end in this photo courtesy of Michel van Meersbergen. It can be seen on the model over on the right in front of where U14,U15 and U16 will be placed.
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Tuesday, June 19th 2007, 9:34pm

RE: The Southwest Quadrant

The roofs on these outbuildings do not land at the eaves. They stop short on flat roof decks that hang out over the walls to create the soffits.
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Tuesday, June 19th 2007, 11:11pm

Roof Treatment

Here is an example of a roof deck mentioned above. In this case, some tabs (*) of W3 are folded and glued under the deck. The thickened edges of the deck are coloured and the roof is glued on top.
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Sunday, June 24th 2007, 7:52pm

The South Facade

Here is the south side of the church with all the outbuildings attached.
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Sunday, June 24th 2007, 7:58pm

The Small East Gate

Notice the little house all by itself at the back of the apse. It is the small east gate.
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Sunday, June 24th 2007, 7:59pm

RE: The Small East Gate

Here is that east gate photogarphed by Michel.
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Sunday, June 24th 2007, 11:22pm

Northeast Quadrant

Here is the last region of the cathedral to finish at ground level - the quadrant behind the north transept.
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Sunday, June 24th 2007, 11:25pm

RE: Northeast Quadrant

Buttresses come right around to the buildings tucked against the transept. They are small and detailed.
Here is a photo sequence of their construction.
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Monday, June 25th 2007, 5:10pm

Dormers

A common problem with dormer design in my opinion, is the overuse of tabs. (e.g. N17 tabs below) Along the lower edges of the gable end and the walls running up the roof, they tend to spring the dormer away from the plane of the roof. They do not appear to be coming out of the roof, but rather sitting on it.
I cut all the tabs off except the one tab at the ridge. It closes the two roof sections nicely. On the N17 tabs shown here, I guess two tabs will be needed to fasten both sides of the shed roof in place, but all the other tabs will go.
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Monday, June 25th 2007, 10:25pm

Northeast Quadrant

Eight full height buttresses have been placed from the east gate around to the buildings behind the north transept.
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Monday, June 25th 2007, 10:28pm

RE: Northeast Quadrant

Now, only the roofs of the north buildings and a few transept buttresses are required to complete the cathedral at ground level.
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Monday, June 25th 2007, 10:51pm

Hi John,

The 'Baaf' is going very nice! It's a pleasure to see how the model is comming together under your carefull hands. I'm looking forward to the construction of the tower!

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Tuesday, June 26th 2007, 12:03am

Hello John,

I agree with Michel! It's really a pleasure to the model growing and I'm looking each day for new steps of the built. :)

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Tuesday, June 26th 2007, 2:11pm

The North Facade

Hello Michel and René,
Thank you for your kind comments. Very much appreciated.
Here is the north side of St. Bavo. It's time to head upward now to the galleries and the roof! (or was that... to infinity and beyond...!)

Michel, you await the tower. Actually, on the cover photo of the model sheets it is quite poorly done. It's tipped off to one side. Close inspection of my work would also show a lot of little mistakes, but the tower is critical to the overall appeal of the cathedral. I'll try to do it justice. Unfortunately, it is very darkly printed and may lose much of its detail. We'll see...
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Tuesday, June 26th 2007, 2:53pm

The Galleries

Michel, again I thank you for the wonderful photographs of the cathedral. For others who have not been following this thread, Michel van Meersbergen lives only 300 meters from this Cathedral and can see its tower, roof and upper parts of the walls from his house!

Here is a magnificant picture looking up towards the top of the north wall. Notice the bricks set on their edge in the buttresses below the galleries. They create an interesting pattern in relief.
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Tuesday, June 26th 2007, 2:59pm

RE: The Galleries

Now look at how this brick pattern is represneted on the model part. Nice attention to detail in the artwork here.
The buttresses, galleries and pinnacles are all painted on one flat model part that will be glued to the side of the building. They will be put in place after the roof is on.
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Tuesday, June 26th 2007, 6:11pm

Open Roof Surgery

Let me share a mistake that has been bothering me for quite some time. Early in the build, I noticed that the large west window was crooked in its frame. Today, it was time to fix it. For you see, before roof construction could begin, a hole had to be cut in the roof deck to get at the window.

In this photo, you can see the remains of the window tabs still attached to the back of the window frame.
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Tuesday, June 26th 2007, 6:15pm

RE: Open Roof Surgery

This meant that some means of attaching the window minus its tabs had to be provided. Strips of wood were close to hand. They could have been card, but their greater thickness gave more gluing surface.
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Tuesday, June 26th 2007, 6:16pm

RE: Open Roof Surgery

That's better...
Edit: Now I know why the window was crooked initially! Sometimes you can see things in a photo you miss when looking only at the model with your eye. Notice that the apex of the window does not line up with the apex of the window frame. When the window was first glued in place, it would have been assumed that they would line up, making the window plumb. Now we can see the compensation in this photo.
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Wednesday, June 27th 2007, 8:53pm

The High Roof

Roofing the upper reaches of the cathedral begins with covering the transepts...
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Wednesday, June 27th 2007, 9:47pm

RE: The High Roof

...then the nave...
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Wednesday, June 27th 2007, 9:48pm

RE: The High Roof

...and finally the choir and apse.
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Wednesday, June 27th 2007, 11:49pm

Hi Hagen.
Good to hear from you.
Thank you for your kind comments.
I always enjoy seeing your helmet! It reminds me of my Grade Six students and their medieval studies. I recall making one out of paper (what else?) and spraying it silver for my kids to wear when they presented their projects.

Enjoy a great summer.
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Thursday, June 28th 2007, 8:14am

RE: The North Facade

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Michel, you await the tower. Actually, on the cover photo of the model sheets it is quite poorly done. It's tipped off to one side.


Now this is interesting. From a certain angle, say from my neighbour's home - sadly we have still some issues to work on so a picture is virtual impossible - the tower seems to slightly tilt to the North-West. One or two degrees, not very much, but most agree there's something odd with the tower, it doesn't 'feel' like a 90 degree angle...

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Saturday, June 30th 2007, 2:05am

The South Pinnacles

Interesting indeed Michel. I'll see if I can't defy gravity and get that tower plumb. It could be the hardest part of the cathedral to build.

Here are three shots of the south side of the cathedral with the upper buttresses, gallery railings and pinnacles in place.
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Saturday, June 30th 2007, 2:54am

This is really great John!

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