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Monday, December 31st 2007, 3:39pm

....checking the fit of wing frames and fuselages....

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Tuesday, January 1st 2008, 5:28pm

The wheel compartments for the E-4 seen from both sides and safely resting inside the wing frame. The corresponding parts for the T-1 will be attached in a different way: they must be glued to the inside of the wing clothing as I will soon be able to show you.
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Tuesday, January 1st 2008, 11:07pm

Lovely complicated frameworks! - L.
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Wednesday, January 2nd 2008, 9:28pm

Thanks Leif!
Now see how much different the concept of the T-1 is: the landing gear/ wheel compartments are glued to the insides of the wing coverings; the result may seem somewhat less solid but the enormous advantage is that the wing clothing and the edges of the compartments are perfectly in line independently of how well both sides of the wing clothing will fit together.
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Thursday, January 3rd 2008, 3:33pm

Both models arel coming together very nicely.
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the concept of the T-1 is: the landing gear/ wheel compartments are glued to the insides of the wing coverings


That is interesting, since Halinski models are usually done this way (I thought, though not from large experience). Here, it is the other way around. - L.
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Friday, January 4th 2008, 8:21pm

Yes, I was surprised too. The Halinski Morane Saulnier's gear compartments were done exactly like the T-1.

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Building the inner sections of the T-1's oil coolers inside the wings:
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Sunday, January 6th 2008, 4:26pm

Construction of the E-4 wing section is going fine; it all fits well, even the wheel compartments -although the joints are less perfect then with "the T-1 method". Still missing: right wing tip, oil coolers, flaps and ailerons:
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Tuesday, January 8th 2008, 3:08pm

Ready oil coolers of the E-4. As I discussed with Andreask, parts 54 a+ and 54 b+ (see a) are a bit of a mystery. The instruction diagrams suggest that they are meant to fill up a gap in the inner part of the coolers, but their design is wrong and in my case they would only have made things more complicated: my coolers fitted perfectly inside the wing frame without them...
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Correction for instructions for T-1: inner parts for oil coolers consist of A6, A7aP/L and A7bP/L.
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Wednesday, January 9th 2008, 5:56pm

Since this is a thread where my aim is to compare two models in a fair way it now is the turn to the T-1 again... :] with a beautiful option that you will look for in vain in the E-4: on this picture I show you the right wing machine gun (see a), built together from more then 20 parts. Once installed inside the wing it will not disappear forever: it will remain visible through the panel and the wing cover in the machine gun compartment (b) that I have mentioned earlier, a compartment that will now as a next step be built inside the wing using the reinforcements (see c).
To realize this option, the frame section marked as "d" must entirely be removed and substituted by the wing gun compartment... things are now getting exciting =)
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Wednesday, January 9th 2008, 8:29pm

Excellent looking machine gun! Very clean
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Thursday, January 10th 2008, 1:38am

Yes, a very lovely machine gun!
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Thursday, January 10th 2008, 5:47pm

Thank you guys, your comments make me go on!
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Pictures showing the patient, from top and bottom :D, immediately after the operation...
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Saturday, January 12th 2008, 7:49pm

I have been looking forward :]to show you these pictures of the complete wing sections of both models.....( some parts at the underside of the wings -white areas for the E-4 and 'preprinted' areas for the T-1 are still to be added).

-ailerons and flaps are still to be added as the right step.

-please note the different wingspan of the two versions, clearly visible now.

-both machine guns have been built inside the wings... that's where the 'bubbles' under the wings are for! For these pictures I placed one of the panels in place; the other one was removed and placed beneath the wing to show the machine gun. By the way; were these just removable panels, or were they hinged -and if so, towards what side?

-most important of all: at the start of this thread I told you about the level of detail of the T-1 compared to the Halinski E-4; now that I can show you the 'light', or 'bright' side of the T-1 a fair comparison is possible. I think that the surface details and weathering of the T-1 can easily compete with the E-4
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Tuesday, January 15th 2008, 8:23pm

The T-1 and E-4, with their fuselages and wings assembled, side by side and resting on still very embryonic :)landing struts:
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Wednesday, January 16th 2008, 2:59pm

Isn't it always a great step when you have the wings on and it really starts looking like an airplane? Good job on both models, still following closely even if I don't post after every update ;)
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Sunday, January 20th 2008, 3:35pm

The T-1 complete with ailerons and flaps and the wings now fixed to the body and the landing gear waiting to be continued.
Although the T-1 is great fun and a pleasure to build, the box-like construction of the center wing section plus both wings to be slipped on the wires until they touch the fuselage has proven to be less satisfying then I had thought: Small gaps were inevitable ans some minor adjustments were necessary to hide them. The instructions tell you to add the left and right wing at the end, but I would strongly advise to unite the frames of the middle section and the left and right wing (with the landing gear struts trapped in between!) before covering them; this will certainly help to avoid any problems.
Next step: ailerons and flaps for the E-4 and landing gear for both models..
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Sunday, January 20th 2008, 4:18pm

The greater wingspan of the T1 really makes a difference doesn't it. Very sleek lines. - L.

PS. Nice little multipurpose vice you have there, J.C.!
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Sunday, January 20th 2008, 4:36pm

Yeeh, this multipurpose vice, we call it a "little third -helping- hand" in dutch; but what is holding the wing is a women's hair clamp -my wife is still looking for it.. :D

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Sunday, January 20th 2008, 5:12pm

We will not tell her ;)

Now I must wait till my wife leaves her in a place where it could "dissapear" :D
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Monday, January 21st 2008, 3:21pm

Unfortunately the camouflage patterns on the Halinski E-4 flaps are wrong.. At the indicated spots the wing patterns must be continued on the flaps. Now you can see if your mixed colours really match.... :)
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Monday, January 21st 2008, 8:18pm

No mismatch visible now (at least not from Göteborg), so you must have managed extremely well to mix your colours. - L.
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Tuesday, January 22nd 2008, 12:50pm

Yes, I think the color corrections are very acceptable, although not perfect. Strangely enough, the ailerons have the correct patterns and need no retouching, as can be seen on this picture showing both models with finished ailerons and flaps:
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Wednesday, January 23rd 2008, 9:12am

i think that the camo pattern mismatch on ailerons is not necessarily wrong - i haven't found this particular machine, but here are two examples of another Emils:
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Wednesday, January 23rd 2008, 10:52am

Very interesting indeed! Yet it seems so logic to continue the patterns over the ailerons (as the Halinski model does) and the flaps (like my T-1, by the way). It is prabably as you say: only pictures of this E-4 version could answer the question.

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Wednesday, January 23rd 2008, 11:30am

of course i meant mismatch on flaps, not ailerons...
the pilot of this machine was probably walter oesau (is it stated in the kit btw?), but i can't find top view of his plane; i'll check my literature when i get back home and i'll see if i can find anything...



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sorry for the hakenkreuz/swastika, i haven't even noticed it - it's not considered to be the propagation according to our law, so i forgot to remove it...
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Wednesday, January 23rd 2008, 11:50am

Yes, it was Walter Oesau (see the picture taken from the E-4 instructions).
Thanks for following this thread and for your inquiries!
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Saturday, January 26th 2008, 12:32am

I don't know if both the E-4 and the T-1 had wheel brakes ( for the-imaginary- landings of the T-1 on the Graf Zeppelin they could have served a lot together with the arrrester hook), but the T-1 model does represent the air?/oil?-pressure ducts for it, thus adding a nice touch to the detailing of the landing gear:
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Saturday, January 26th 2008, 11:44am

Brake lines, like all similar details, do add a nice touch, don't they! And I would have thought that both aircraft had them. For braking, but first and foremost perhaps, for ground steering. You can't very well maneouvre an aircraft in cramped spaces without them. - L.
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Saturday, January 26th 2008, 5:49pm

Looks like you fly yourself, don't you? 8)
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Main gears ready to receive their respective wheels. I added a close-up of the T-1 gear to show the respect of detail: brake piping and hinges for gear doors:

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T-1: C4aP and C4aL were interchanged in the numbering of parts ; the same for C4cP and C4cL.
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Wednesday, January 30th 2008, 10:40pm

Both of my Messerschmitts finally resting on their own wheels...!
The wheels of the T-1, although built together from less pieces then the E-4, can easily compare to their Halinski counterparts.

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Wednesday, January 30th 2008, 11:27pm

I see your point, the T-1 wheels look just as good, if not better.

Incidentally, it is very unusual to see aircraft on their wheels at this stage of construction. Refreshing!

Here's hoping it won't cause you any trouble for the rest of the build. - L.
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Thursday, January 31st 2008, 7:56am

I like this comparative construction. I also own a copy of the Bf 109E-4 and I am going to follow your threat as a guide, when I begin the build of my.

Thank you very much.

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Thursday, January 31st 2008, 2:53pm

I think this is the right moment to explain to you all why you see two airplanes already on wheels but both missing a nose...
From the start I wanted this simultaneous build to be as parallel as possible. Now the T-1 instructions start with the nose section and then work towards the centre section. This T-1 nose section can be build in a simple version, but it is also possible to include the complete engine with machine guns, opening panels etc. Apart from the fact that the author warns you that this option is only for the very experienced modelers, the E-4 simply does not offer the possibility to add an engine.
Therefore I decided to follow for both models the working order of the E-4: first the centre sections and then, omitting the nose sections for the moment, continue with the tail sections, wings and landing gears. In that way, the simultaneous progress of both models could be followed step by step and I think you appreciate this dual story.
I still have to add some details to both models plus, of course, the E-4 cockpit, but then comes the moment to start the noses...
For a fair comparison I will try to show you the extras the T-1 has to offer; maybe I will even be showing both nose versions; the simple and the complex one.
Leif was wondering if adding the nose only at this stage would not cause any problems. Well, for the E-4 there is'nt any , the complete nose section can easily be fixed to the centre frame. For the T-1 things might be more complicated: when choosing the engine version parts of formers must be removed - we'll see about that.

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Saturday, February 2nd 2008, 2:58pm

...catapulting hooks and arrester hook for the carrier based T-1...
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Saturday, February 2nd 2008, 3:20pm

Hi jcvandenbergh ,

beautiful work.
But I think, the catapulting hooks should point backwards; otherwise the plane wouldn`t come free off the catapulting sledge!

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Hi jcvandenbergh ,

beautiful work.
But I think, the catapulting hooks should point backwards; otherwise the plane wouldn`t come free off the catapulting sledge!

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Yeah - http://wydawnictwo.model-hobby.pl/en/ind…elu=7&id_foty=1 - here's a picture from the Model Hobby site of their white version showing how theirs face.

Otherwise all looking very clean as usual ;)
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Saturday, February 2nd 2008, 3:37pm

Of course...! Hopefully this looks better:
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Saturday, February 2nd 2008, 3:41pm

One more picture from another position:
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Monday, February 4th 2008, 6:40pm

As I explained earlier, the T-1 canopy had to be built in an early stage of the construction; now it was the turn to the E-4 canopy, much easier to build and much less of a challenge: the inside and outside colors are not contrasting and therefore so much easier to assemble... Plus the fact that this canopy is composed of three sections; the T-1 canopy is a one-piece construction and I would suggest this for the T-1 canopy too; no mayor changes are needed to work that way.
I tried to suggest the sliding side windows for both models.
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