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Tuesday, November 6th 2007, 2:47pm

Wow - I studied everything for a while last night and couldn't come up with anything either. If I were to guess, I'd say they'd be either shoulder or lap padding and would have the white bits cut out and the belts fed through them. But that's only a guess based on the fact that the bits are on the thin former sheet like the belts themselves and aren't marked to be laminated like a mounting bracket would be. Plus the diagrams clearly show the belts mounting directly to the seat on the sides and there is a mounting bit on the back for the parts that feed through the seat.
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Tuesday, November 6th 2007, 10:07pm

Thank you Awot. you found it and you are of great help.
But.... you must own are more recent copy where this item was added.
Let me show you a picture of my copy; the part that contains the solution is still missing there and no doubt is was missing in Dansls1's copy too, otherwise he would sure have found it:
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Tuesday, November 6th 2007, 10:31pm

In the meantime I almost finished the interior of the T-1 cockpit. Still missing: the flight stick and the instrument panel. The pictures show the beautiful details on both sides that it contains (the complete box is only 20x40mm).
But I still have some concern:
- where will I put the tiny part B10? Like B 17c it is neither in the diagrams nor in the instructions.
- will everything fit well once I start constructing larger pieces, like assembling the fuselage parts..? What made me worry? Well, this is it: the inner and outer parts of the cockpit seat have the same dimensions. This makes it logically impossible to make them fit well; like the Halinsky seat, the inside should of course be smaller then the outside.
But for the moment the next step will be the interior of the E-4.
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Tuesday, November 6th 2007, 10:43pm

jcvandenbergh,

awot designed the Bf 109T ;)
Now we know that he monitors the thread and we will be incorporating corrections into the electronic version of the model.
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Tuesday, November 6th 2007, 10:55pm

Wow.. I did not know he was the one who designed it! =)

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Tuesday, November 6th 2007, 11:10pm

I also wouldn't worry about the parts fit (seat is a fairly common glitch..)
I built his Ki-44 Shoki and Bf 109D and those were the most pain free models I have built so far.
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Wednesday, November 7th 2007, 12:09am

Thank you once more!

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Friday, November 9th 2007, 11:52am

The instrument panel unit of the T-1 is unfortunately wrong in design: lower and upper panel parts must be joined by strip N2 and thus form a unit(see 'a'). But having done so the lower panel is placed so high against the back of the upper panel part (see 'b') that it is impossible to make the slots on the sides of the upper panel rest on the sides of the cockpit 'box'. Diagrams don't help much here and the real problem is that there are no indications on the parts to show where exactly to place them. I had to improvise: first I fixed the lower panel to the underside of the front opening and then, omitting strip N2, I placed the top panel above it with the slots resting on the sides of the cockpit box (hopefully at the right spot..).

The cockpit inside of the T-1 is ready now (except for the viewfinder/cross-hair instrument that is so fragile that I will add it only when placing the canopy) and now the fundamental differences in design are clear: in the E-4 the cockpit is integrated in the frame structure of the center fuselage section; the T-1 cockpit is a 'bathtub'-like box that will be placed inside the fuselage. We will soon see which one of these concepts will prove to be best.. :rolleyes:
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Friday, November 9th 2007, 1:36pm

Nice clean work on both cockpits and good warning about the placement of the 2 instrument panel pieces.
-Dan

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Friday, November 9th 2007, 2:31pm

Taking notes :)
Really a nice way of showing the difference JC!!
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Saturday, November 10th 2007, 3:26pm

Just added the pilots seat for the E-4.
Sit down and attach those safety belts... :)
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Monday, November 12th 2007, 8:00pm

The E-4's cockpit right inner skin(wiith a wealth of details) ready to be fixed onto the center fuselage frame:
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Monday, November 12th 2007, 8:06pm

Nice nice nice JC!!
You just got to love the details in that Halinski kit!!
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Monday, November 12th 2007, 8:12pm

Hi Josve!

Yeeeh, I love those details - by the way: just before my stay in Spain, a few weeks ago, I visited Norway: Oslo--> Bergensbanen --> Geilo --> Flam--> Sognefjord--> Bergen... unbelievable!

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Monday, November 12th 2007, 8:30pm

Nice! Then you drove right through my "backyard" over The hardangervidda :)
I live about 70km from Geilo,right on the western edge of hardangervidda in a town named Odda.
Flomsbana is really spectacular,not surprised that tourists enjoy that ride!
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Tuesday, November 13th 2007, 6:25pm

No, at the left there it is not a failed Mustang III nor a Thunderbolt - it's just the "outside of the innerskin" :rolleyes: of the E-4: the parts of it are printed on the cover of the booklet, resulting in a rather peculiar image... (I would gladly have kept the cover intact...).
The reason why I show this image is the fact that the two models are now exactly synchronous: cockpit insides finished and ready to be 'covered'.
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Tuesday, November 13th 2007, 6:52pm

These models are coming together quickly and cleanly - good job!

I too don't like Halinski using the back cover of the kits for parts. I'd rather pay a bit more to have an extra page and be able to keep the 'folder' once I build the kit. Oh well, I guess if that's one of the biggest complaints about Halinski kits it can't be all bad.
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Thursday, November 15th 2007, 8:52pm

First picture:
Why...? 8o
Why this tab (a), meant to connect both sides of the outside skin of the cockpit/fuselage of the T-1 at the bottom? Why present it twice as large as needed, knowing that half the size(b) fills exactly the gap in the ring (c) that will join it to the next part? Questions, questions...

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Center fuselage part of the E-4 finished and, to the right, the same part for the T-1 under construction. with a wonderful weapon shield (don't know what it stood for) on the side:
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Friday, November 16th 2007, 12:35pm

The small cockpit window, in the E-4 integrated in the cockpit, is in the T-1 part of the fuselage skin. The glass for this small window is supposed to be added only when mounting the cockpit (see second image). I don't think that will work. Therefore I added the glass at this stage (a).
Unfortunately, adding the T-1 cockpit is indispensable (b) to continue working towards the rear of the plane so this T-1 cockpit will have to be the next job.
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Friday, November 16th 2007, 12:58pm

hi jc!

I also don't like halinksi's way of printing parts on the booklet page. booklet is damaged very quickly (e.g. during storing...). For this level of pricing, customer could expect this additional piece of paper... :rolleyes:

man, you are fast, you build two cockpits in the time, where other modellers wouldn't even build one! and very smooth in addition.

I will stay tuned to your construction report.

greetings, thomas

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Sunday, November 18th 2007, 4:30pm

I told you that the T-1 cockpit was next. But therefore it was necessary to mount the complex aiming device (c) and the steel protection shield (b) to be placed behind and on top of the pilot seat. The cockpit at the rear is still under construction... horribly difficult and with inside and outside strips so fragile that I feel more like a surgeon -I can only cross my fingers...
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Monday, November 19th 2007, 3:11pm

Yess... the operation was a success! =) -what I mean to say is that with my skills (I am just a hobbyist and amateur) this was a result that I could only hope for: the Messerschmitt cockpit with its mixture of angular and rounded forms is a challenge. If anybody would ask me to do this cockpit a second time I don't know if I would make it... But I must say that fit of this T-1 cockpit was excellent.
I told you that adding the T-1cockpit was indispensable to continue work towards the rear. I will now have to handle this centre section with very much care (the underside, where the center wing section will be mounted, is very fragile too, without any reinforcement).
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Monday, November 19th 2007, 3:27pm

Well doctor JC, next time I guess will be usefull to paint some parts befor assembly from backside to eliminate white paper shine negative effect :]
It is normal to own ORIGINAL

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Monday, November 19th 2007, 3:29pm

The canopy looks very good! Good luck working the rest of the way without getting fingerprints on the 'glass' ;)
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Monday, November 19th 2007, 3:50pm

Hi professor :D Bernie!
If you mean the cockpit inside: I don't know if you own a copy of the T-1. If so, you can see that all the inside cockpit parts are light gray and therefore contrast strongly against the night grey outside parts. But you are the teacher, I am the pupil ;)

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Monday, November 19th 2007, 3:55pm

Yes JC, I have got the T type, but at home, can not check now :D

But more-or-less I mean the part of Hal's E type, missing interior green, but easily correctable :rolleyes:
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Wednesday, November 21st 2007, 2:19pm

As promised, I am now working towards the rear. The unusual concept of the center section of the T-1 compared to the E-4 did not cause any problems after all; this next section gave enough strength to its rear. Fit of the T-4 was good, and excellent for the E-4.
Don't be mistaken about the surface details of the T-1: these dark grey, almost black colors are very unforgiving, much less "sexy" and spectacular then the colors of the E-4. Sometimes difficult to see on the dark background, everything is there, all the texts that are so much easier to read on the E-4, like "24V" (a), "Sauerstoff für Atemgerät" (b) and "Einsteigklappe" (c).
On the third picture the German symbols on the next sections for both models show how much these sections, like the previous ones, are identical in design (i.e. where the sections are interlocking).
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Saturday, November 24th 2007, 11:58am

So different...and yet so similar:
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Saturday, November 24th 2007, 2:52pm

You keep the high standard JC :)
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Saturday, November 24th 2007, 8:16pm

Thanks Josve..

Please note this omission at the indicated spot in the instructions for the Halinsk1 E-4: part W18** (which is missing in the instructions) should be mounted 'flat' at the rear of cz. 44 and will later support vertical stabilizer part W19e.
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Sunday, November 25th 2007, 10:34am

As you can see the the fuselage sections that I just added are not the same in length. This is caused by the fact that design of the tail wheel cases (coming next) for both models differ.
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Sunday, November 25th 2007, 2:49pm

Thanks for sharing these 2 nice, clean builds with us ;)
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Sunday, November 25th 2007, 5:19pm

Thanks, Dansls1!

Anyone sharing the T-1 build with me? Then please note this error in the tail section:
Using parts Wg6+C10b (see a) as reinforcement at the rear for the tail wheel box (as the instructions seem to suggest) will result in a wrong position inside part 9 (see b): the opening in the box will not correspond with the opening in the outer fuselage part and there will be no support for vertical stabilizer part Wg5...
Solution: use Wg6+C10b, combined with Wg5, to close part 9 'flat' at the rear (with the printed side towards the tail wheel box) and insert and fix the box at the proper location working from the other side.
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Monday, November 26th 2007, 12:36pm

Forget about what I told you yesterday! There is an error, and it is a serious one because nothing will fit once you start the vertical stabilizer... I discovered that it is all caused by outerline(a). It should not be there! The outerline should be (b), thus creating enough space to build the vertical stabilzer reinforcement inside the fuselage end (and even at a distance of 1mm from the end -see c- as discribed much, much later in the instructions...). Yes I am proud that I found this out 8)
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Monday, November 26th 2007, 4:11pm

The E-1 with the -corrected :]- tail section plus the stabilizer frame in place.
Now I have a few questions:

-what is the 'casing' above the tail wheel for? Was this tailwheel retractable ? I have only seen pictures with the main gear retracted; it looks like the tail wheel is always visible.
- the T-1 offers a tail with a swastika (that I will hide on my pictures) on the rudder and one without; is this for respect or consideration or to respect the law or did the version without swastika actually exist? I ask this question mainly because the Halinski E-4 version offers only the first option.
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Monday, November 26th 2007, 4:50pm

Hi jcvandenbergh,

a retractable tailwheel was introduced with the F version of the Me 109, so the E- as well as the T-version had no retractable tailwheels.
I think the two versions of the T-model, with or without swastika, is due to differend laws in the countries, for example, in Germany and I think in Austria too, it`s forbidden to show swastikas on models.
Operational aircrafts of the German Luftwaffe always carried the swastika at the tail.

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Monday, November 26th 2007, 5:25pm

http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=2999 - if you go to this picture of a BF109-T, you can see the indention in the fuselage on the bottom indicating the retractable landing gear. (The picture is safe, the angle allows the wing to hide the Swastika - although the rest of the pictures available on the site are not necessarily so).
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Monday, November 26th 2007, 8:53pm

I want to thank both of you for these very usefull answers!

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