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Saturday, May 9th 2009, 8:37am

[Completed] Halinski 1/2004, FW 190 A-8, 1/33

Hi,

This is my first post on Kartonbau.de.
I hope we will share experience together.
Please allow a few glitches in the beginning of my post. I am learning necessary steps one by one.

I started building Fw 190 A-8 a couple of day ago.
I am not goint to introduce all the details of this model since it is one of the famous Halinski models. The model has four pages of B4 size color parts and one and half page of skeleton parts.

Before starting building, color parts got coated with fixative spray and skeleton parts were mounted on 0.5mm thick card board using a spray glue.

PS. I hope my modification on photos meets rules.
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Saturday, May 9th 2009, 8:56am

Phase 1-1 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

I start building tail parts first.
I typically glue skin parts and insert skeleton parts later to reduce any mismatches between skin parts. This skin first approach also allows better curvature controls on skin parts in my building.

Here come tail skin parts without skeletons.
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Saturday, May 9th 2009, 9:37am

Phase 1-2 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

To insert skeleton parts into the built skin part, I divided tail skeleton into three groups.

1. Fin skeleton
2. Top portion of tail body skeleton
3. Bottom portion of tail body skeleton

The find skeleton is inserted from back side opening and glued.
The top portion is in-placed and the bottom portion is squeezed into its location.

The attatched photos show divided skeleton and a tail after insertion.
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Saturday, May 9th 2009, 9:29pm

Welcome! It will be interesting to see how your technique works.
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Monday, May 11th 2009, 5:28pm

Phase 1-3 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

I am still working on the skin of the main body.
The first set of the tail side is done.
Building steps move to cowling parts.
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Tuesday, May 12th 2009, 12:47am

Thank you.

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Welcome! It will be interesting to see how your technique works.


I hope you may give me valuable feedback when I add more progress.
Thank you.

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Tuesday, May 12th 2009, 3:10am

I'm not an airplane guy, so don't know how much help I will be but your seams are impeccable. I'm sure Norm and Martin and some of the other guys will weigh in and keep you straight :D
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Tuesday, May 12th 2009, 4:18am

Phase 1-4 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

Continuing cowling part assembly,
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Tuesday, May 12th 2009, 4:58pm

Phase 1-5 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

Another day for cowling building,
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Tuesday, May 12th 2009, 5:21pm

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I'm not an airplane guy, so don't know how much help I will be but your seams are impeccable. I'm sure Norm and Martin and some of the other guys will weigh in and keep you straight :D


Royaloakmin,

Thank you so much. I've tried to reduce mismatches between parts. Obvisously, it is not easy and I still have much room to improve. Recently, I've also focused on the curvature of parts since I mostly work on WWII airplanes. I havn't made much progress though.

I will be so glad to have Martin and Norm's feedback.

YY DAD

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Wednesday, May 13th 2009, 3:36am

Phase 1-6 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

Before giving a final touch to the cowling assembly, I start building a radial engine assembly.
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Thursday, May 14th 2009, 1:44am

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Originally posted by airgoon
Hi Dad,

Sorry, I just right now stumbled on your construction report.
I not only love your new approach, but also the model you are building. It is also on my short list.

I am really intrigued by your idea to build sections of the skin first before inserting the skeleton.
I can't say either yay or nay to that, I've never tried it (in other words - you have just taught me something new... :) ) but I can see that it could work quite well.
Your seams are very clean so far, which could well be a result of your creative technique. It also seems to me that you actually managed to round the cowling segments out a little, this is heavy duty pro stuff!!!
I'll definitely drop in often to see how that thing develops!
This is learning city for me, I love it...!!!

Just one suggestion for the very first ring in the nose that seems to stick out just a tiny bit, you could try rubbing the edge down a little with a small metal rod or something similar. If you rub it, the paper fibers get separated slightly which softens the paper and it lets you compress it for an even better fit. You won't even need water for that.
I usually do that when the glue is still wet, that works even better.

BTW don't let the cylinders scare you. I'm sure you can build one cylinder and find it pretty easy. Building fourteen cylinders is fourteen times easy, it just takes a little longer... 8)

Take care,
Norm


Hi, Norm

Thank you for your kind feedback. I've been trying and testing skeleton insertion approaches for my recent models. Mustang III got a front inserted skeleton. P-39N got kinds of inserted parts because I made two parts of a front and rear skin assembly and them put them together. Finally, I could fully try cockpit insertion for P-51D. Happily I tried it one more time for D3A1. This time is going to be my third time but I expect a couple of problems because Fw190's skeleton shapes. I might cut skin parts a bit and assemble them later to make enough opening for insertion. I've wondered how it will come out too.

I will work on the cowling assembly as you suggested. You have very nice eyes to catch it. I should get a fair of magnifying glasses or something. :]

Radial engine building slowly makes its progress and I expect to finish in a few days. :D

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Saturday, May 16th 2009, 4:23am

Phase 1-7 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

Radial engine building is done.
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Tuesday, May 19th 2009, 3:32am

Phase 1-8 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

Wokring on the skeleton of a cockpit,

All cut parts got assembled. IId is a template for skin shapes, which should not be assembled.

The skeleton is divided into two parts for easier insertion. Orinially, as shonw back, the skeleton is one assembly.
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Tuesday, May 19th 2009, 6:09pm

Phase 1-9 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

Cockpit interior construction begins.

Pedals and side panels,
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Tuesday, May 19th 2009, 6:26pm

RE: Phase 1-9 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

Amazing - you're working at a pretty high pace! I believe that you've finished the most boring part of the work (the mass manufacturing of the cylinders) - continue this good work!

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Tuesday, May 19th 2009, 6:35pm

RE: Phase 1-9 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

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Amazing - you're working at a pretty high pace! I believe that you've finished the most boring part of the work (the mass manufacturing of the cylinders) - continue this good work!

Old Rutz


Hi,

Thank you very much. As you pointed out, engine building is mostly boring works but this time was somewhat enjoyable because of shape of cylinders. This was my first time to build retangular style cylinders. They were interesting. I am glad that they are only 14, though.

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Tuesday, May 19th 2009, 8:13pm

Hi YY DAD,

your build of the FW-190 looks very clean and exactly so far. I look forward at your progress and hope for a good finish of this airplane model.

kind regards

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Tuesday, May 19th 2009, 9:03pm

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Hi YY DAD,

your build of the FW-190 looks very clean and exactly so far. I look forward at your progress and hope for a good finish of this airplane model.

kind regards

frettchen


Hi, Frettchen

Thank you very much. I will finish the cockpit assembly and skin parts of a main body and expect to assemble them in a couple of days. I also wonder how it will come out.
I've been keeping my eyes on your works of Jak-1b. It is a really nice model and you've showed nice skills.

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Wednesday, May 20th 2009, 3:47am

Phase 1-10 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

Both side walls got assembled.
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Thursday, May 21st 2009, 4:20am

Phase 1-11 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

Cockpit construction is done and building moves back to main body skin assembling.
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Thursday, May 21st 2009, 10:06am

RE: Phase 1-11 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

Hi YY DAD, nice build so far. How did you actually glued such a big piece of paper? In one shot? I can't do this, it's always half dry on the beginning before I finish the whole plate.... ;(
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Thursday, May 21st 2009, 5:24pm

Phase 1-12 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

I add skin parts to the cowling assembled previously.

Before adding, the engine assembly is put into the cowling but it is not glued. The skin parts I add have recesssed exhausts. I worry the exhausts might make space too tight for engine insertion later.

For adding, I did a couple of practive runs (1st photo) and then glue them together. After skins is added, a skeleton is added behind the engine and it hold the engine in place.
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Thursday, May 21st 2009, 5:35pm

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Hi YY DAD, nice build so far. How did you actually glued such a big piece of paper? In one shot? I can't do this, it's always half dry on the beginning before I finish the whole plate.... ;(


Hi, Dalibor

Thank you very much.
I guess you are using water-based or oil-based regular glues. For more than 95% of my build, I use instant glues (or super glues in other name). An advantages is that I don't need to wait for drying but a down side is that glued parts are not repairable after 5-10 seconds.
So to glue the skin parts, I carefully match parts and drop small amount of a instant glue between gaps through a fine epoxy tip (26-27 gauge blunt needle). Please feel free to ask more about how I glue parts if you have any more questions. :]

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Thursday, May 21st 2009, 5:36pm

Please let me know how to delete posts

Hi,

Would you let me know how to delete a post?
I accidentally made one extra post here but I really can not find how to delete the post. I know how to edit one.

Thank you very much.

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Thursday, May 21st 2009, 8:57pm

Thank you.

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Originally posted by Jörg Schulze
Which one would you like to have deleted ?


Hi Jörg,

Thank you for your kind response.
Does a regular member allow to delete his or her own post?
I accidentally made one and I could not delete it.
So I used it to ask a way to delete posts.
If deleting is not allowed, I will recycle lextra ones for updating.
I should have been careful.

YY DAD

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Thursday, May 21st 2009, 10:34pm

Thanks again, Jörg.

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Yes of course, deleting posts is Admin business - this comes around with our forum software. But you can erase what is written inside the post. We will than remove it later.

cheers,

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Friday, May 22nd 2009, 5:46pm

Phase 1-13 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

Continuing the body skin construction,

In this step, before assembly, I cut a skin part into three piece. It will be helpful to make bigger opening on the bottom when I insert the cockpit assembly. The center bottom piece will be assembled separately after wing skeleton is assembled.
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Tuesday, May 26th 2009, 2:51am

Phase 1-14 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

Before skeleton insertion,

I connected all skin parts and put a front canopy frame
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Tuesday, May 26th 2009, 2:55am

Phase 1-15 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

Assembling skin parts and skeleton,

Step1. Preparing a rear cockpit skeleton assembly.
Step2. Insert the rear assembly
Step3. Glue the assembly
Step4. Insert the main cockpit assembly.
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Tuesday, May 26th 2009, 2:57am

Phase 1-16 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

After the cockpit skeleton insertion,
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Tuesday, May 26th 2009, 2:58am

Phase 1-16-2 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

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Tuesday, May 26th 2009, 10:05am

YY DAD - the engine cowling is not removable, is it? It is a pity to hide such a pretty and well assembled engine :(
Great work, so far :) :) :)

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Tuesday, May 26th 2009, 5:07pm

Phase 1-17 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

I modified the location of the front canopy frame and put a little piece of hinges for details.
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Tuesday, May 26th 2009, 5:11pm

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Hi dad,

the results look absolutely convincing.
And yet, I'm not sure if I would have the guts to try it myself some time...

Later,
Norm


Hi, Norm

Thank you for your kind feedback again. It is not that difficult as it looks. I think planning ahead is the only requirement. :)

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Tuesday, May 26th 2009, 5:16pm

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YY DAD - the engine cowling is not removable, is it? It is a pity to hide such a pretty and well assembled engine :(
Great work, so far :) :) :)


Hi, Ricleite

No, the cowling is not removable, sadly. Most Halinski models I made were alike. They had much details in cockpits and engines. But after assembled, they got hidden inside. Thus, I've tried not to spend too much efforts in builing inside parts.

Even though they are hidden, it's OK. I just had all joys to build them and I know they are in.

Thank you very much again.

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Wednesday, May 27th 2009, 4:07am

Phase 2-1 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

I built the skeleton of main wings.
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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 6:03pm

Phase 2-2 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

It's been a while since my last update. There has not been much progress. I couldn't take photos but I finished landing gear bays and start putting a skin of main wings.

I also added extra flat paper parts on the wing skeleton to support fairing parts later. They will give extra support duing fairing assembly to wings, preventing any deformation of wing skins.
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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 6:05pm

Phase 2-2-2 of Fw 190 A-8 Halinski 1/2004

Temporarily, I assembled the wing to the body to see their fitting. They seem to have no problems so far.
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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 8:04pm

Looking just fine, YY DAD :)
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