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Montag, 22. Januar 2007, 14:22

An impression of my "wheel serial production factory" (it's making me mad ?() plus:.... the first set of wheels in place:
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Montag, 22. Januar 2007, 14:36

Hello JC,

I was waiting for this post long time....(well, not that long) :D
Amazing build, how much time does it take to finish one wheel?

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Montag, 22. Januar 2007, 18:22

My experience is that repeating the same action(s) in modeling can be very boring, but on the other hand it can save you a lot of time; for these wheels that count many, many parts each( and two wheels are needed for each set of wheels...!) I did as usual: I start with building the first one to accustom myself to the way to build them; for this first wheel it took me several hours. Then I repeat each step one by one for the other wheels,thus making each step faster ans faster: On the plus side: at the end of the process you finish many wheels one after another; on the minus side: you really must go for a walk after some time because, like I said, it is making you mad...

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Dienstag, 23. Januar 2007, 21:39

Zitat

Originally posted by jcvandenbergh
By the way - I forgot to tell you that the next step will be... the wheels... There is no escape: endless series of almost identical parts leading to almost identical assemblies etcetera etcetera....:( :(. -but this I knew when I started the vehicle and I will soon be able to show you how super detailed these wheels are.


wait for when you will get to the tracks ;)
as i remember each link is 17 or 18 parts...
excelent job 'till now... 8)

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Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007, 18:41

Six sets, three on each side, of "middle" wheels are finished now; "middle", because the next set of 6x2 wheels has longer axles, thus making the distance between each of their two wheels larger. Each one of these sets will fit "around" the now finished sets: one wheel on the inner side, the other one one the outer side. I already made some nice progress on these next sets, so pictures of the next steps will soon follow!
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Sonntag, 4. Februar 2007, 15:53

I wanted wheels.... Well, here I got them. Lots of them!
The top view shows how all these wheels and swinging axles fit together and are still free to move independently.
Next step will be to add the remaining three sets of wheels on the other side and then start with the very complex and detailed driving wheels plus the rear wheels.
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Freitag, 9. Februar 2007, 14:47

Is 14x2 = twenty-eight wheels ( see picture) enough for the tracks? No it is not... :rolleyes: The two driving wheels are still missing. So up we go for these driving wheels, hoping that the we can keep the misery of missing or not fitting parts away. (For those of you who can check it: no parts 53f/g -black rubber rings for rear wheels on my copy...; plus: the diameter of the axles for the rear wheels, parts 11n, needs correction, as do most of the parts in this model as I told you before)
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Samstag, 17. Februar 2007, 14:47

A picture showing the work in progress on the front (driven) chain wheels; sub-assemblies so complex and containing so many parts that they are in fact models on their own. The rubber blocks and rollers where the wheels and chain will be in contact are already visible. These wheels are almost finished so new pictures of mounted wheels will follow very soon!
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Sonntag, 18. Februar 2007, 12:57

Is thirty wheels enough for the tracks? Yes it is!! :] In other terms: All the track wheels are finished now. Those who own a copy of this model and can verify will agree that the number of parts needed to finish all these wheels means an important step. Sometimes the goal of reaching such a step can almost become an obsession -but it should not. This is a hobby -it should mean fun.
So for the tracks (I did not check it but they could easily contain one thousand parts or more) I will calmly start constructing the first links and as I progress continue building the rest of the model; first of all there will be the"regular" front wheels as the next step.
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Sonntag, 18. Februar 2007, 13:24

JC,

wonderful build so far. I am sure I would have gone mad by now...

One question though: On your drive wheels (the frontmost pair), the "padding" on the left and right of the center "teeth" are not parallel (I hope you know what I mean).

Shouldn't these be in the same position so that the track links have the same rest area on the inside and on the outside? - That's how I have done it with the NSU Krad...

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Sonntag, 18. Februar 2007, 15:23

Hi Michael!
Not one word about this in the instructions, but... there is indeed one diagram showing parallel rubber blocks. Besides of all that, the position that you propose is much more logical and certainly the right one and therefore I corrected it right away as the attached picture shows. Strangely enough, the blocks, seen from the side,are not in the "middle" of the "teeth"/rubber rollers, as shown on the other picture, so I kept that as it was before.
Thank you very much for your comment!
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Sonntag, 18. Februar 2007, 16:23

Hi JC,

yes, I think that's it - I hope you didn't have to destroy too much of the wonderful build to change this.

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Sonntag, 18. Februar 2007, 17:14

No, no damage done!

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Sonntag, 18. Februar 2007, 17:48

Phew... good.

You must know, I am following this build report very closely, having this model in my archive...

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Donnerstag, 8. März 2007, 17:59

I wanted to put an end to this endless wheel story, so what else could I do then build the three wheels that were left: the front wheels and the spare wheel. These wheels are surprisingly well designed and fitting is perfect - a bit like the Kraz...!
The only horizontally fixed position of the model for this moment is the front axle plus the front wheels ;all swinging arms of the chain wheels are (still) movable and to determine the final position of the complete chassis I will now have to start putting the chain wheels on the chain.
So there is no more escape: I'll start the first links together with the radiator and the front mudguards.
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Sonntag, 11. März 2007, 15:56

One last step was necessary before continuing: apparently nothing has changed but when you take a closer look you will see that I added the system of pressurized air ducts, compressor etc. As soon as I will start building the body most of the inside of the chassis will become inaccessible. The instructions warned me that this was the moment to install these ducts, so I did.
As I said before, next steps will be the first chain links, radiator and mudguards.
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Freitag, 16. März 2007, 17:53

The instructions stated that the non printed sides of the inner and outer mudguards should be glued together before giving them the right shape. Although in this case the final result might have been the same, I am not a fan of this: The inner and outer "skins" have by definition different measures and so there is a risk for surprises.
I preferred to build the inner skin and use it as a 'support' for the outer skin:
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Freitag, 16. März 2007, 18:11

And then comes another very pleasant surprise :O, very typical for this build... Did I do something wrong? Everything seems to fit; the mudguards have been fixed on the frame exactly where they should be fixed; is it simply the indicated place for the mudguard supports (one of them is shown on the picture) on the frame that is wrong? Let's hope so, because otherwise I might have a serious problem...
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Freitag, 16. März 2007, 18:14

The Famo with the front mudguards installed; no other position for this sub-assembly is possible, so...?!
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Freitag, 16. März 2007, 19:13

Yeah thats a pretty strange construction, and it would not have been very nice if glued together before shaping.But you got it very nice together JC!
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Sonntag, 18. März 2007, 15:55

I did a test build for the first two connected links of the tracks and I was satisfied with the result; I now know how to construct these links and I now know that everything fits together well. (The "teeth" on the inner side of the links will be added later).
What I know also :D is that each link is built from nineteen parts and that I will need at least fifty-five links for each side... But what I know for sure is that these tracks will be finished in time before the rest of the model will be ready.
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Montag, 19. März 2007, 19:33

Just an impression of the preparations for composing the chains: 216+240 parts... just a fraction of what will be needed ...:)
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Montag, 19. März 2007, 19:48

Thats just insane JC!!
I have made my decision to never build a tracked vehicle without laser tracks :)
So you have all my respect for that job!!
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Montag, 19. März 2007, 22:11

I understand exactly what you mean, but... for me no laser parts, no sanding and painting, except for the the edges... I have chosen to build paper models. I remember to have written about this in my thread of the 'Radomka': it is nonsense to want to hide the joints in a ship's hull of a paper model; show the wonderful way of how a ship's hull is being built together creating beautiful 3d-shapes from simple pieces of carton; show how it has been built but try to build it in a perfect way. That is my philosophy. I used to build plastic and wooden models and everything had to be flawless... I ordered the laser parts for the 'Famo', just to know how they were looking - until now I did not use one single of these parts...

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Montag, 19. März 2007, 23:04

I know exactly what you mean JC.So please don't get me wrong!But i might approach the issue a bit different :)
For me the lasertracks are giving a better overall look,I think....and they are made of paper.
And my statement in my above post was a small joke,not always easy to get the funny part stand out in writing.....
I also find lasecutted frames very nice since it saves time and hides some of my skew kutting :)
I have only used lasercutted frames for the PAK so far, and that was really nice.
But I'm fairly new to this hobby, just been building models for one year and 4 months, so I might change my view when I get some more experience.
My models so far have given me great pleasure, and I think they look good enough to have on my desk. And my coming projects are many....some with lasercuts some without.
I have the greatest pleasure to follow your builds , and I hope to be able to build models like you and a lot of others here on the forum in the future.

The most important thing is to have fun with the hobby, learn as you go,build the models the way that feels right for each person, and share the joy with everybody.

I'm not sure if I gave a sensible reply here, since I'm not good in reading between the lines, but I deeply respect we have different opinions, and therefore build different.
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Dienstag, 20. März 2007, 08:39

Thank you, Josve, for reacting so extensively. Of course everybody has the right to have his own ideas in modeling! (By the way: in my reaction I meant the metal laser cut parts for the Famo).
You are completely right:The laser cut parts from cardboard for tracked vehicles look beautiful, much more beautiful then anyone could achieve by cutting by hand. And, of course, they save lots of time.
The only thing is: It is a bit like doing the Tour the France on a motorcycle :]
Thank you once again for following my thread so closely!

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Dienstag, 20. März 2007, 10:06

@ jcvandenbergh & Josve - The very best of what I got from your thoughts is:

a) 'The most important thing is to have fun with the hobby'
b) 'I have chosen to build paper models'

There it is! I agree 100% with a) and I follow the b) view. However, sanding, over painting, and using extra parts can perfectly be part of the fun. Laser cut paper parts (either for tracks or internal frames for wings) is a very interesting development. It is just a different philosophical approach and thank you both for posting such great pictures :super:

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Freitag, 23. März 2007, 16:09

The radiator/cowling under construction; the grill was made from thin wires, the gaze-wiring from packaging of garlic. (The instructions show some kind of mat of straw for this without further explanation, so I can not check this.)
The "Famo" logo is visible on the nose of the cowling!
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Sonntag, 25. März 2007, 16:18

Slowly the "Famo" is getting its characteristic 'face':
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Samstag, 31. März 2007, 15:58

And then, suddenly, after months of correcting or modifying parts and trying to find all kinds of solutions for parts with horrible fit, there comes a moment when fun changes into aversion...
I knew that,once I would start building the body onto a frame that on many, many occasions had let me guess how and where exactly parts had to be placed, problems would arise. But how could I know that they would be that serious?
I show you a picture of the sides of the engine covers. Look to the left one and see all the material that I removed to make place for the mud guard. I removed the maximum I could - the part is almost cut in two-and still the part was 'bended' around the mudguard instead of fitting in a strait line at it should have. Then there was no other solution then to cut into this beautiful mudguard. And it was at that very moment, when I had to start destroying parts that I had built together with so much care,and knowing that many other problems were still to come, that I had had enough for good of this model. I am not a test builder; designing and testing is a different job.
I want a model that fits decently or even perfectly. It is not without reason that I talked on many occasions about the Renova-"Kraz", which is an exemple of what a perfectly fitting model is like.
Sorry, but I will soon be starting a new model.
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Samstag, 31. März 2007, 16:13

I really understand your feelings and frustrations here JC!
And I support your choice of jumping to another model.
When a build isn't fun anymore.....just dropp it or your coming anger will crush it in the end!
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Montag, 2. April 2007, 12:50

Hi JC, I understand it too...

anyway I have to say I'm disappinted very much, that such a perfect model is of such a bad quality.... :(

There was ones a guy who did it....
http://paper-models.super-expres.cz/vojenska_technika.html

I wish you good luck with your next model JC
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Montag, 2. April 2007, 14:33

Thank you,guys! Let's look at it from the positive side: Is'nt this a perfect opportunity to start a new project? ;)

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Montag, 2. April 2007, 14:59

Please correct me if I'm wrong JC....but I beleave you already have started it in your head :)
So now I'm curious on what the next model is???
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Montag, 2. April 2007, 15:25

Hi JC,

that is a hard decision, because you have put so many time and ideas in your build... I am always feeling sad when I stop a build wich went so far!

I hope a new model will give you new energy!

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Montag, 2. April 2007, 15:29

Well. my 'heart' is with the 1:100 civil ships (I did the "Regulus" and the "Radomka), because of the level of detail that the 1:100 scale can offer. But there is hardly anything on the market in that scale. But I am very interested too in highly detailed 1:33 (e.g. Halinsky-)airplane models and helicopters. And there the choice is so overwelming that I need some time to search the internet. I will let you know my decision as soon as possible!

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Montag, 2. April 2007, 20:57

I believe You will to continue.Your model is great :meister: ,and over all problems should to be ended.
This is a war soldieR ! No one step back :nono:! (please!)

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Montag, 2. April 2007, 21:07

Great build!
@)
I want to make it sometime in the future...
But, it seems like it requires a lot of builder's patience... enormously !

Don't stop !
Please Don't stop !

I'll look forward to your next post !

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Dienstag, 3. April 2007, 10:18

Sorry, guys, but my decision is taken - maybe there will be a new (computer designed?) version one day with a degree of precision that will make building real fun. Then I will be the first one to buy it and make a new start.

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Dienstag, 3. April 2007, 11:15

Hello JC,

well, if decision is taken, no power can brake it.

This is also part of cardmodelling - some projects are not sucessfull. But you have done a great job until this break-point. Congratulations and admire!

Looking for new project to be shared with us.

Good Luck
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